Linux-Misc Digest #572, Volume #25 Sat, 26 Aug 00 18:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: SCSI compatibilty (Dave Brown)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Bob Hauck)
Re: How can I get/set maximum number of processes on RH6.0 (plus some other stuff.
(Matthew Gatto)
Re: kde or gnome startup? ("D. C. & M. V. Sessions")
Re: Borland C++ for Linux ("D. C. & M. V. Sessions")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Jean-David Beyer-valinux)
Bash Scripting Question (johnny B)
Re: multisession CD-Rom (Paul Lew)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Christopher Browne)
Re: Reiserfs (Christopher Browne)
Re: W2K and Linux (TomG)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Bob Hauck)
Re: multisession CD-Rom (Dances With Crows)
Re: gnome X file diff prog? WIDE POST (Hammer)
Re: Installing Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
"Using Red Hat Linux" book by Que (Skywarner)
Re: what's up with Sun? (Dave Martel)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: SCSI compatibilty
Date: 26 Aug 2000 15:14:13 -0500
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:40:06 GMT, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am about to add 3 9.2GB SCSI hard drive and an Adaptec 29160 SCSI
>adapter to my Linux server, but I want to make sure the adapter will
>work first. I'm using MandrakeLinux 7.1.
You might need to find the chip used on the 29160. For instance,
the 2940 uses an AIC7xxx chip, thereby needing the aix7xxx module.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:43:40 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:13:31 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What is the deal here? I write a post or two that claims that we can
>manage computer systems directly, on their storage, outside the
>abstractions of the Operating Systems and their Services.
You've got it exactly backwards. Raw storage is just numbered blocks
on the disk. Filesystems are an abstraction created by the OS. There
is no "structured storage" without the OS. Without the OS, the highest
leve of abstraction is about at the level of instructing the SCSI
controller to fetch block 123456 from device 0 on buss 0. Managing
storage is one of the most important tasks of the OS, why re-create it
inside your installation tool? What does that have to do with making
installation and system management easier?
It might make sense to use a structured storage scheme like XML to
define your installation parameters, directory layouts, etc. I *think*
this is what you are trying to get at. You are proposing some kind of
"meta schema" that describes how the various parts of the various
supported systems relate to each other. Rules like "the /etc directory
is like the Registry and the mapping is thus" would be defined such
that when the developer creates an install the system "does the right
thing" in terms of putting configuration files in the right place and
such based on their defined purpose or whatever.
That's all fine, and is a nice blue-sky sort of idea. But it is also a
*very* hard problem, as components of various systems don't have a
nice 1:1 mapping. The /etc directory isn't exactly like the Registry,
although it performs many of the same functions, to give one example.
There are all sorts of special cases, different ways of handling
security, different ways of handling devices, and so on, that would all
need to be considered for the scheme to work.
"Make it all structured data" doesn't help, as that is pretty much a
content-free statement. And doing it "outside the OS" is nuts, IMO.
>I claim that these abstractions and services simply clutter up the
>configuration management tasks and get in the way, cause problems, and
>waste our time.
So...computers cause computer problems.
>Well I have news for you. If you are a developer, you are a sad one,
>because you should know and understand that there isn't much complexity at
>the storage level.
And you know this how? Because it seems right off the top of your
pointy little head?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Gatto)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: How can I get/set maximum number of processes on RH6.0 (plus some other
stuff.
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:53:56 GMT
> Can anyone tell me how to find out the maximum number of processes
>supported on RH6.0. I wrote a little program that madly creates threads
>(just to see) and ran top. My program seems to stop creating when top reads
>301 processes.
>
>Is there a place where I can read (preferably from withing a program) the
>process limit. I've looked through limits.h etc and although I can find a
>pthread limit of 1024 (In limits_local or something similar) I can't find a
>process limit (which in Linux threads I guess should be the same). I'd like
>to be able to increase the limit if possible too (unless this is a BAD
>idea - to many processes wasting time and all that).
>
>Secondly is there a similar place to find info on the maximum number of open
>file descriptors (and connected sockets if the number is different than the
>fd number).
>
>The reason for these questions is that I'm writing an application that is
>required to support *LOTS* of simultaneous connections (probably greater
>that 256 in and 256 out). Of course one standard way to support many
>connections is to create a new thread per connection, problem is that this
>starts to go a bit pear shaped when the numbers get big.
topping out at 301 is probably a result of your shell's (default)
built-in limit of 256 processes (ulimit -a to view the current
limits). and/or you might want to mess with
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/tasks.h , and recompile.
--
3:11pm up 52 days, 10:35, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.00
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From: "D. C. & M. V. Sessions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kde or gnome startup?
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:10:53 -0700
Jean-David Beyer-valinux wrote:
>
> "Kirk R. Wythers" wrote:
>
> > can someone remind me how to switch your machine's startup, back and
> > forth between kde and gnome? I start up to gnome right now and I'd like
> > to try out kde
>
> Press the Foot. Select System->Desktop Switcher to go from GNOME to KDE. It is
> similar the other way.
Better yet, at least on Red Hat,
echo KDE > /etc/sysconfig/desktop
this gets you the KDE login control -- which allows selection at login.
--
| Engineers solve problems -- it's what we do. |
| Do you want to be a problem? |
| D. C. Sessions === [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
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From: "D. C. & M. V. Sessions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Borland C++ for Linux
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:12:43 -0700
Stuart Mika Hankel wrote:
>
> Hello. Does anyone know of a version for Linux for development in C? I mean
> an environment for debugging, like Borland C++ for DOS.
> Thanks
Timeframe matters. Borland/Inprise is getting ready to release
Kylix (the be-all and end-all of IDEs for Linux) Real Soon Now.
If you need something sooner, there are others such as KDK.
--
| Engineers solve problems -- it's what we do. |
| Do you want to be a problem? |
| D. C. Sessions === [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
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From: Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:12:55 -0400
paul snow wrote (in part):
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8o8qsi$urf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:52:59 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Clearly, you *aren't* a developer.
> >
> > And that give him the perfect qualifications to determine what developers
> > should be doing. Read a little about the latest fad, like XML,
> > understanding less than half of the information, credit it with magical
> > properties to solve all ills and then direct developers to make it work
> > somehow. Sounds familiar?
>
> What is the deal here? I write a post or two that claims that we can manage
> computer systems directly, on their storage, outside the abstractions of the
> Operating Systems and their Services. I claim that these abstractions and
> services simply clutter up the configuration management tasks and get in the
> way, cause problems, and waste our time.
>
> I claim that storage is nothing more than structured data, and can be
> managed as just that, structured data.And storage is just structured data,
> nothing more, no magic.
I guess you never tried managing disk drives directly, outside the structure
imposed on them by the OS.
One way of looking at an OS is that all it is is a bunch of tables and some
software that keeps them up to date. While true, it does not recognize the
subtleties involved that a novice user who needs an OS and a means for
installing it would have to know, and the implications of every decision he
might make, even implicitly.
I once wrote an operating system for a computer that had disk drives on it
(thank goodness; I had used machnes that did not, and had all that stuff on
magnetic tapes).
The disk drives had to be formatted: you had to define the block size, and
their identifiers, and their ordering (i.e., did you want the blocks to go 0,
1, 2, 3, 4, ... or 0, 7, 1, 8, 2, 9, 3, 10, 4, 11...; If you are doing a lot of
serial reads and your controller cannot do the "spiral read" that DEC
controllers on the PDP-11s could do, it really mattered. You could go much
faster if you staggered the block numbers. Fred Grampp once told me he wrote an
emulator for the IBM 7094 that ran on an IBM 360. The emulator numbered the
disk blocks in staggered order instead of sequentially. IBM just numbered them
sequentially.
THE MACHINE READ THE DISKS FASTER IN EMULATION MODE THAN IN NATIVE MODE!). You
need to determine if there are to be partition tables or not, how indices are
to be organized (The old DEC way of 510 bytes in a block for data and the last
two bytes pointing to the next block (lousy, by the way), the Microsoft FAT
way, or the Linux ext2 way, etc.), and on and on.
Likewise, main memory management is not a trivial task, nor is process
scheduling. I cannot imagine going back to the early 1950s and imposing this on
users We have learned a lot in the last 45 years. Why make everyone start at
the beginning? One of the greatest benefits of computers, a
QUALITATIVE difference, and not merely the quantitative difference that they
are so much faster, is that each user is not obliged to start at square 1 and
redevelope everything from scratch.
--
Jean-David Beyer .~.
Shrewsbury, New Jersey /V\
Registered Linux User 85642. /( )\
Registered Machine 73926. ^^-^^
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:41:39 +0200
From: johnny B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Bash Scripting Question
> hi
>
> i have 2 questions, both involving bash scripting.
>
> First question:
> suppose i have a text file (lets call it "myfile") that contains one
> piece of information per line like this:
> -------myfile----------
> www.bob.com
> www.fred.com
> www.albert.com
> www.egg.com
>
> now, in my bash script, i say:
> variable=`cat myscript`;
> echo "$variable";
>
> this prints out the original information as it's supposed to (with the
> proper newline characters).
> but if i then say:
> variable=`echo $variable`;
> echo "$variable";
> all the newline characters get replaced by spaces. so my output becomes:
>
> www.bob.com www.fred.com www.albert.com www.egg.com
>
> why does this happen?
>
> second question:
> is it possible to assign the return value of a function to a variable?
> eg.
>
> myFunction()
> {
> return "5";
> }
>
> variable=myFunction;
>
> here, i want $variable to contain the number 5, not the word
> "myFunction". how can i do this?
>
> thanks in advance
> ali
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: Re: multisession CD-Rom
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:17:15 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:23:37 +0200, Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi there,
>my Teac R55S does not READ multisession-CDs
>under Linux. Couldn't find any hint how to
>activate this. The source looks that multisession
>is supported. Who can help me?
>
>(Currently not yet interested on writing
>CDs under Linux)
>
>Wolfram
>
The 1st thing is, does the Teac R55S not read all multisession cd in linux
or just a few?? The reason I asked is that my over glorified Plextor 12/20
reader cannot read a few multisession cdrs which the nec, panasonic could;
the cdr's were the 80 min type from compusa. Perhaps you need to check a
few more???
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:22:53 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when The Ghost In The Machine
would say:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Christopher Browne
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Sat, 26 Aug 2000 03:45:27 GMT
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when The Ghost In The Machine
>>would say:
>>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mlw
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>That's all that XML is, nothing more. It can not replace programs, it is
>>>>not a new concept in operating systems.
>>>
>>>It might replace programs (programs are interpreted data in their
>>>own right, after all -- to the right interpreter, such as an x86
>>>micro, a JVM, or even a BASIC environment), but it sure looks
>>>hard to manage, although not too hard to generate.
>>
>>It only "replaces" programs if it can express programs itself.
>>Note that providing the ability to _embed_ programs is not that;
>>that merely replaces one language with another.
>>
>>>But why can't we use a schema/data approach? Something like:
>>>
>>>first 8 bytes - magic signature number, just because
>>>byte - endianity
>>>byte - user-defined version ID
>>>2 bytes - number of fields
>>>field descriptor byte: 0=short, 1=long, 2=float, 3=double,
>>> 4=zero-terminated string
>>>field name: zero-terminated string
>>>field descriptor byte:
>>>field name:
>>>...
>>>
>>>(The floats would be in IEEE format, which is the one 680x0 and
>>>80x86 micros use -- and possibly a large number of other computer
>>>systems.)
>>>
>>>Surely somebody out there's thought of a standard for this.
>>
>>There's not one; there's several.
>
>Doesn't surprise me too much. :-)
>>
>>Leaping to mind are:
>>a) IIOP - the Internet protocol defined for CORBA that does
>> essentially what you describe, albeit a _little_ differently;
>>b) Casbah's LDO (Lightweight Distributed Objects)
>
>I'll have to check out IIOP. Another obvious one -- albeit it's
>not clear it's documented yet -- is Java's persistence format.
>(Is it specced to be JVM-compatible?)
Other options would be the Java "CORBA-like" thing, RMI; perhaps SQL-CLI
(aka ODBC) or JDBC.
>>>Or one can use a chunky format, something a la Amiga's IFF,
>>>where data is in chunks, understood by each program. Chunks
>>>could even have DTD-like structures if necessary.
>>>
>>>But nooooooo....we get to clutter up what is essentially a
>>>data-centric stream with a lot of framing clutter. Unless
>>>I'm missing something in the DTD spec which allows for the
>>>specification in binary of all of this data...?
>>
>>I think WAP provides some such mapping...
>
>I don't know WAP from THWAP, admittedly. :-)
>Is this on the www.w3c.org site?
I do not recall if it stands for "Wireless Applications Protocol" or
"Wireless Access Protocol." <http://www.google.com/> and some combination
of those words should find you something relevant.
--
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Rules of the Evil Overlord #7. "When I've captured my adversary and
he says, "Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what
this is all about?" I'll say, "No." and shoot him. No, on second
thought I'll shoot him then say "No."" <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Reiserfs
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:26:02 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Kichi Leung would say:
>On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Jeff Davis wrote:
>>I was installing Mandrake and somewhere I read that Reiserfs was
>>included as an option for 'enterprise systems'. Why would an average
>
>Just mandrake's marketing crap, i suppose.
Doubtless so.
I would think a journalling filesystem would be even _more_ useful,
if that be possible, for the home user with somewhat flakey hardware,
no UPS, and questionable power integrity.
[Sob. I got home last night to find my Alpha box in shambles; I
had a power outage that outlasted the UPS, hadn't gotten around
to hooking up cabling/software so that it would shut itself down, and
then found that MILO got toasted...]
>>user not want reiserfs? it sounds good to me (the journaling part at
>>least). Why would it be good for enterprise?
>
>If you are curious, go ahead and install it. Even if you aren't, go ahead and
>install it anyway. A good thing about reiserfs is that it allows your
>partitions to get away with less damage after a crash (if that ever occurs).
>
>If you want some technical info on reiserfs:
>http://www.devlinux.com/projects/reiserfs
>Apparently, only SuSe and mandrake support this filesystem out of the box.
The problem is that ReiserFS is _still_ not an _official_ part of the
Linux kernel tree.
There was a dramatic "dung fight" not too long ago suggesting that this
was a conspiracy by Red Hat and VA Linux; entertaining so long as you
can cope with lots of scatological and _extremely_ inflammatory comment...
The process of trying to get ReiserFS into the kernel tree has been
long and painful enough that I'm nearly ready to think there may be
a bit of "conspiracy" to it...
It works pretty nice, though...
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
Rules of the Evil Overlord #7. "When I've captured my adversary and
he says, "Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what
this is all about?" I'll say, "No." and shoot him. No, on second
thought I'll shoot him then say "No."" <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: TomG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: W2K and Linux
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:29:25 GMT
jagger314 wrote:
>
>
> I've used NT for 4 years. I thought W2K would obliterate Linux when it
> came out. After using W2K for several months, I thought I'd give Linux
> a try...
> After three weeks of using Linux, I realize the following:
> Using windows is like putting a puzzle together with oven mits on.
> Windows users aren't stupid, they're ignorant, there is a difference.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Welcome to enlightenment my friend! Seriously, however, you make a good
point. Windows 95/98 are both bad implementations of a bad design. NT is
a competant implementation of a bad design. Linux is a fairly good
implementation of a good design. Of course, there are some security
issues with Linux, but certainly less than for Windows. The crux of it is
that Windows is aimed at a less technical consumer base than Linux/Unix.
I am not in fact convinced that all Windows users are ignorant. I know
people who are aware of Linux, but don't have the technical knowledge to
use it.
It is getting easier though and soon it may become truly feasible for the
average Windows user to make the swap.
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:43:53 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:48:43 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Oh, so all those hours I spent installing stuff on Solaris was really
>Windows?
You were complaining about Windows, and things that are really quite
specific to Windows at that, rather than general problems.
>The point is that we need to get over the idea that installing is part of
>the abstractions that the OS provides. That mindset prevents us from
>developing technologies (such as those I am describing here) that can
>install across platforms.
My response is in the other part of the thread. I'm not going to
repeat it here. Basically, it sounds like you want some sort of
meta-language to define installation procedures. This meta-language
would generate install programs for each supported platform, or perhaps
a database of some kind that could be used by the universal installer
to actually do the install.
You are aware that this is sort of how Installshield and RPM work,
right? The developer creates scripts that describe his installation
and the tool makes some assumptions, and everything usually works. You
just want to make these scripts more abstract so that they'll work on
different platforms, and make them editable so you can pre-configure
your local setup.
Is that about right?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:43:55 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:13:05 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I gave you 26 concrete points to argue. If you can't pick one and state why
>it can not be implemented, or why the logic is faulty, you should just go
>away.
Your 26 points are nothing more than a laundry list of features. There
is no logic to be faulty as you don't discuss how these things would be
done other than to say that XML is somehow involved and that they would
be desireable.
>And learn to read. "XML isn't magic..." right there in my post!
Then why is XML not arguable (point #-1)?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: multisession CD-Rom
Date: 26 Aug 2000 21:53:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:23:37 +0200, Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>my Teac R55S does not READ multisession-CDs under Linux. Couldn't find
>any hint how to activate this. The source looks that multisession is
>supported. Who can help me?
Hmmm. Is this a SCSI or IDE device? You may have to recompile the
kernel, turning on the "Enable Vendor-Specific extensions for SCSI
CD-ROM". The source doesn't say anything about TEAC, referring mostly
to NEC, Toshiba, Sony, Pioneer, and HP, but it's worth a shot. If this
is an IDE device, you will have to also build in SCSI emulation support,
SCSI CD-ROM support, SCSI generic support, and SCSI support, then access
the device as if it were a SCSI CD-ROM.
>(Currently not yet interested on writing CDs under Linux)
If you wind up having to do the things listed above, you'll be 75% of
the way there to writing CDs in Linux.
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
=============================/ ==Henry Spencer
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From: Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gnome X file diff prog? WIDE POST
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:47:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Are you sure you need a graphical one? I find the sdiff program
extremely useful.
> I normally run GNOME on top of X Window system and just open an xterm,
> make the xterm fill the screen, and then do:
>
> sdiff -w 160 file1 file2 | less
>
Thanks guys. I do indeed have kdiff... not bad ;) I did not know I
had until the other lad mentioned it. I've not tried the sdiff yet, but
I'll try it.
I also went digging around and found one called gtkdiff. It's pretty
nice, a bit quirky here and there, but it works nice on source files
large or small. I like the feature where you can go side-by-side 2-
pane diff, or colapse both files into a single pane. It surely isn't
fast or anything though hehe.
Thanks for tips lads... appreciated.
-=hammer
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Installing Linux
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:53:28 GMT
Bootable what??? hee hee
Thanks for the information.
Actualy I got it to work by moving the swap partition. I am not sure if
I had it bootable or what but moving it to a position after the OS
partition and that did the trick.
Thanks agiain.
Lark -who needs a witty saying for his signature.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:14:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <lark65@my-
deja.com> wrote:
> >I am attempting to install Linux on my Compaq computer and it loads
OK
> >but when I reboot it only gets to LI when it boots. I remember
seeing,
> >only once, an error that I would have to do someting to the Compaq
> >before I could use UNIX but unfortunately I did not take note of the
> >error as I figured it would come up again but it didn't. I am
wondering
> >if anyone knows what I need to do to the compaq to get it to run
Linux
> >I have tried searching the Compaq site but all the information seems
to
> >apply to Alpha computers and not Intel.
> >
> >I have an older compaq presario model 4122
> >
> >Any help in this regard would be appreciated.
>
> According to LILO package doc, "LI" means either a geometry mismatch,
or a
> relocated /boot/boot.d. Just boot your system via floppy (you DO
have a
> bootable floppy, right?), and issue the command: lilo
>
> -jeff
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Skywarner)
Subject: "Using Red Hat Linux" book by Que
Date: 26 Aug 2000 22:00:16 GMT
If anyone can use it, I have an extra "Using Red Hat Linux" book by Que that I
don't need. I'd be interested in either trading it for something or selling it
outright for $20 + shipping. It comes with Red Hat 6.2 on CD, and both the
book and CD are in excellent/new condition.
Thanks in advance!
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: what's up with Sun?
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:03:32 -0500
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:35:06 GMT, "Y ø r i k" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20000824/tc/is_sun_really_public_enemy_no_1__1.html
Everyone's on Sun's case for not going open-source with Java. If they
did then how long do you think it would be before MS hijacked it,
released a MS-specific version, and fractured the standard?
MS has already tried it once with Visual J++. Sun prevailed only
because of their tightly written licensing agreement forbidding any
alteration of the standard. Java needs to remain under tight control
until it's too well-established for MS to corrupt.
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