Linux-Misc Digest #285, Volume #26 Sat, 11 Nov 00 12:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: If I switch to Mandrake 7.2, will I take a hit? (Nat)
Re: If I switch to Mandrake 7.2, will I take a hit? (Alex McCreath)
Re: Was: can't ... REMOUNT; now: making boot ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
WPO2000 on RH7 (George Wright)
Re: Best Distro For Newbie.... (John Hasler)
Re: rpm dependency problems (John Hasler)
Re: Was: can't ... REMOUNT; now: making boot ("Peter T. Breuer")
Root fails to run cron job (Mike)
Re: If I switch to Mandrake 7.2, will I take a hit? (Matthew Matchura)
Re: is linux good for graphic design? (Edwin Johnson)
Re: Root fails to run cron job (Neil W Rickert)
Re: backups via NFS (Jerry McBride)
pppd dies unexpectedly! ("Benjamin Autin")
Re: EXIM (Fill the gaps) (Colin Watson)
Start Linux on 386 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Start Linux on 386 (Yves Bellefeuille)
Re: If I switch to Mandrake 7.2, will I take a hit? (Mike Mattix)
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From: Nat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: If I switch to Mandrake 7.2, will I take a hit?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 21:08:53 +0800
Its going to be slow frankly. I have a P3-450 + 128mb ram
and has 7.2 installed and works very smoothly. no crashes
so far.
nemo wrote:
>
> I run an AMD K6-2 400 with 60MB RAM, and 4MB shared RAM. With so little
> resources, is it worth my while switching, as I've read that X-window app.s,
> and window managers can be resource hogs. Is my system's performnce likely
> to improve, suffer, or remain unchanged after a switch from Win98SE to MDK
> 7.2?
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From: Alex McCreath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: If I switch to Mandrake 7.2, will I take a hit?
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:05:35 +1000
Nat wrote:
> Its going to be slow frankly. I have a P3-450 + 128mb ram
> and has 7.2 installed and works very smoothly. no crashes
> so far.
>
>
> nemo wrote:
> >
> > I run an AMD K6-2 400 with 60MB RAM, and 4MB shared RAM. With so little
> > resources, is it worth my while switching, as I've read that X-window
> > app.s, and window managers can be resource hogs. Is my system's
> > performnce likely to improve, suffer, or remain unchanged after a switch
> > from Win98SE to MDK 7.2?
KDE2 does appear to require (a little) more grunt than its older sibling.
That said, I have a Celeron 450 and 160M RAM, and it runs at a *very*
acceptable level of performance. Linux likes >=128M RAM. My advice is; buy
some RAM and you'll hardly notice the hit from KDE2. And, you won't be
dissappointed with MDK7.2!
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:06:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Was: can't ... REMOUNT; now: making boot
In <8uh4bc$tee$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 11/10/00
at 03:30 PM, "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Well, you don't need ANY base of operations. You just need your file
>system.
Yeah, as if having a file system weren't a base of operations!
I don't -- make that 'didn't' -- have a file system!
>: [1] I would like to set things up so that I can again use /dev/hda6 as my
>: boot partition; how do I do this?
>Why do you care? I already said ONCE that a boot partition is nothing
>special.
And I never thought it was 'special'. It's just the way I have things set
up here -- I have a boot partition which I happen to call 'the boot
partition'. Perhaps this linguistic usage is confusing you?
>Do you mean something else by the term? Such as "the partition on which I
>keep the boot sector that takes me to the kernel image of choice"?
If you prefer this façon de parler, yes.
>: [2] When I boot using 'linux init=/dev/hda7', I get the old stall at
>: 'remounting, etc. etc.'; how do I overcome this?
>By not writing it! You mean "root=/dev/hda7", surely? Well, fix up the
>partition. Check all its bits and pieces are in place. Sounds like
>something pretty fundamental is awry there. Such as not having a shell.
>Or not having a console, or no etc or no dev. Etc. etc. Run the init
>scripts one by one until you find out what's broken.
Ok, this is roughly equivalent to telling me something's wrong with my
system, a fact I was already painfully aware of.
I was looking for help in diagnosis and remedy.
I've solved it though:
>Or don't - reinstall the partition from your backups, or whatever you
>installed it from.
I backed up the problematic partition (a lot of free space on my HD) and
reinstalled the base system; I could use bits and pieces of the backup to
reinstall or simply copy over my own stuff; I'm pretty much back in
business but no wiser.
I have an inkling what triggered the problem in the first place, a
particular dumb move on my part, but I don't understand why it led to all
the effects or how to recover if I should ever find myself in that spot
again.
>: (A) I keep examining the appropriate files (lilo.conf, fstab) and I don't
>: see any irregularities but I'm still studying them.
>What makes you think those have anything to do with it? You have to have
>a reason!
I practice 'filename magic' -- their names have 'f' in them like my name!
Look, thanks for trying to help. From your tone, I see I've exhausted your
patience, and for my part, let's just say that I appreciate your wanting
to help, and let's leave it at that.
>[...] These are not tricks.
Whatever...
See you!
F.
===========================================================
Felmon John Davis
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Union College / Schenectady, NY
os/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:49:46 +0000
From: George Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WPO2000 on RH7
Hi,
Can anyone help me with my problem of installing WPO2000 on RH7? It
keeps telling me that the fonttastic font server is not found. On trying
to start the server manually, it seems that the file was not installed
when WPO2000 was installed! Does anyone know a workaround or any patches
to get it to work?
George
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Distro For Newbie....
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:54:07 GMT
Chris Glur writes:
> you need to be able to effortlessly navigate the directory structure; to
> see, edit, move, copy, find (automatically) etc.. various files.
Which you can easily just by learning a dozen or so commands.
> CLI makes me feel like tying shoe-laces in the dark, wearing
> boxing-gloves.
That's how GUI's make me feel.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: rpm dependency problems
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:34:04 GMT
Ben writes:
> I try to install the rpm I get the message that the package depends upon
> a kernel >= 2.2. I have kernel 2.2.17, but this message keeps cropping
> up.
Did you install that kernel with rpm? It doesn't know about stuff you did
by hand.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Was: can't ... REMOUNT; now: making boot
Date: 11 Nov 2000 15:06:15 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: In <8uh4bc$tee$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 11/10/00=20
: at 03:30 PM, "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
:>Well, you don't need ANY base of operations. You just need your file
:>system.
: Yeah, as if having a file system weren't a base of operations!
It's THE base of operations. Not ANY.
: I don't -- make that 'didn't' -- have a file system!
You said you did.
: up here -- I have a boot partition which I happen to call 'the boot
: partition'. Perhaps this linguistic usage is confusing you?
Yes it is. A boot partition is a small space of 16MB or so that
contains a kernel image. It is placed low down on the disk to serve
as a jumping/jumpable point for the bios. It has no special
attribute other than its position. It can even be raw, if you are
clever about it.
:>Do you mean something else by the term? Such as "the partition on which =
I
:>keep the boot sector that takes me to the kernel image of choice"?
: If you prefer this fa=E7on de parler, yes.
Where you put the boot sector is up to you.=20
:>partition. Check all its bits and pieces are in place. Sounds like
:>something pretty fundamental is awry there. Such as not having a shell.
:>Or not having a console, or no etc or no dev. Etc. etc. Run the init
:>scripts one by one until you find out what's broken.
: Ok, this is roughly equivalent to telling me something's wrong with my
: system, a fact I was already painfully aware of.
: I was looking for help in diagnosis and remedy.
You got it. There is no magic wand. No expert would do any more than go
look, and if the missing piece were not obvious, such as the things I
mentioned, then would run the init scripts one by one, by hand, and find
the point of error that way. It's called "debugging".
: I've solved it though:
:>Or don't - reinstall the partition from your backups, or whatever you
:>installed it from.
: I backed up the problematic partition (a lot of free space on my HD) and
: reinstalled the base system; I could use bits and pieces of the backup t=
o
: reinstall or simply copy over my own stuff; I'm pretty much back in
: business but no wiser.=20
OK.
: I have an inkling what triggered the problem in the first place, a
: particular dumb move on my part, but I don't understand why it led to al=
l
And what is it?
: the effects or how to recover if I should ever find myself in that spot
: again.
:>: (A) I keep examining the appropriate files (lilo.conf, fstab) and I do=
n't
:>: see any irregularities but I'm still studying them.
:>What makes you think those have anything to do with it? You have to have
:>a reason!
: I practice 'filename magic' -- their names have 'f' in them like my name=
!=20
OK.
: Look, thanks for trying to help. From your tone, I see I've exhausted yo=
ur
: patience, and for my part, let's just say that I appreciate your wanting
You haven't exhausted my patience for helping. You've exhausted my
patience for trying to get usable information out of you. The remedy
for that is to give the info!
Peter
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From: Mike
Subject: Root fails to run cron job
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:22:04 GMT
Exucuting a cron job by root rusults in the following eror:
top: tcgetattr() failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
The script is under a user name and runs fine from the command line.
The script runs "top -bn1", then totals the %memory used and appends
to a file.
Mike
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From: Matthew Matchura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: If I switch to Mandrake 7.2, will I take a hit?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:32:09 -0800
a l t e r i t y wrote:
>
> Well I have been playing around with 7.2 for a few days now on a
> macine similar to yours, and I think it is a shit distribution,
> probably the worst I have used in 5 years of playing with Linux. I
> have had no end of problems.
>
> "nemo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >I run an AMD K6-2 400 with 60MB RAM, and 4MB shared RAM. With so little
> >resources, is it worth my while switching, as I've read that X-window app.s,
> >and window managers can be resource hogs. Is my system's performnce likely
> >to improve, suffer, or remain unchanged after a switch from Win98SE to MDK
> >7.2?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> alterity
> canberra: the penetralia of australia
Hmmm, what sort of problems?
I loaded it from the ISO's that I downloaded last week adn it has been working
fine since. I had only one configuration that it set up wrong (sound card was
set to the wrong IRQ), but that was a 30 second fix.
I am running an AMD K7-650, 256 MB RAM, Maxtor 30 GB HD.
--
>^..^<
Matt
Remove the NO_SPAM to reply via email.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin Johnson)
Subject: Re: is linux good for graphic design?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 11 Nov 2000 16:03:03 GMT
If you're looking to do graphic design on Linux, the program gimp would
probably be what you should investigate. It is a very sophisticated graphics
package and should certainly help, written of course for Linux, using
layers, etc. The url is www.gimp.org .
...Edwin
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:39:38 GMT, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Corel has recently released CorelDraw! running on Linux; if you
>>consider CorelDraw! to be a good candidate for use on Wintel, it may
>>be a reasonable thing to try on Linux.
>
>Anybody know if it's a native Unix port or is it a Win32 app
>ported using WINE like CorelOffice for Linux? [While the
>native Unix port of WP8 for Linux seems quite stable and lean,
>I have heard too many bad things about CorelOffice. Shame.]
>
>--
>Grant Edwards grante Yow! ... the MYSTERIANS
> at are in here with my
> visi.com CORDUROY SOAP DISH!!
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From: Neil W Rickert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Root fails to run cron job
Date: 11 Nov 2000 10:16:06 -0600
Mike writes:
>Exucuting a cron job by root rusults in the following eror:
>top: tcgetattr() failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
>The script is under a user name and runs fine from the command line.
>The script runs "top -bn1", then totals the %memory used and appends
>to a file.
'top' wants a tty device.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry McBride)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: backups via NFS
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:19:45 GMT
In article <3a0bf459$3$qnivfs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- snip ---
>I'm having trouble with my main machine right now, darn it! Everything's
>on hold until I can boot back in.
>
Ooopps... you run as root, all the time? I used to do that when I was first into
linux... then after I rm'ed my root directory I figure it'd be best to start
logging in as a user... :')
>Anyway, I've got a cross-over cable with NIC in the desktop (3com) and
>some kind of no-name (popular here in Germany, I think) in the laptop.
>Unfortunately I don't have a burner yet or a tape-drive but hope to in a
>little bit, or I'll just get another HD for backup.
>
Hmmm... I don't have any idea how things are priced there in Germany. But here
in the US, buying an additional harddrive would probably offer the BEST bang
for the buck. It'd be faster than any of the other backup methods and if
coupled with a "removable drive bay" it'd make for a GREAT way to swap in and
out a number of different drives. I used to do just that, with scsi drives.
Since that time, I've moved over to cdr as my back up media.
>So, I guess in my case, backup should be pretty fast.
>
You bet!
>I thought the answer would be 'dd' but I wanted to be sure.
>
There's other optiosn to... if you just need to backup a certain number of
specific files.. you could do it with tar, zip, etc. You could use the current
date as part of the filename, and keep the backups in/on your backup media.
There's all kinds of options. I haven't explored them all either.... :')
Cheers.
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From: "Benjamin Autin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.dial-up,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.ppp,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: pppd dies unexpectedly!
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:29:19 -0600
Modem configured. Talking to my ISP through kppp. It goes through
initialization, dialing, and before it can connect it dies on me giving me
the message: "pppd daemon died unexpectedly" and the debug option doesn't
give me any suggestions as to what I can do.
As usual, any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Ben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: EXIM (Fill the gaps)
Date: 11 Nov 2000 16:34:39 GMT
Lander Gurpide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The default MTA in Debian Potato is EXIM and I had to answer some
>questions durin installation process. I didn't know what to answer
>exactly, so I need some help from you because my english is not good
>enough to understand some of these questions.
I'm sorry, but I don't think I can explain this any better than the
package already does, since I will necessarily have to explain it in
English. :) Also, I don't know any details of your system, so I'll have
to guess. What you should really do is find some local expert to guide
you through the process.
> What is the `visible' mail name of your system? This will appear on
>From: lines of outgoing messages.
>Enter value (default=`debian', `x' to restart):
Your e-mail address is apparently [EMAIL PROTECTED] If all users on
your system have addresses like this, you could try 'wanadoo.es'.
>Does this system have any other names which may appear on incoming
>mail messages, apart from the visible name above (debian) and
>localhost?
[...]
>Enter value (default=`none', `x' to restart):
Your machine's hostname is almost certainly not wanadoo.es. Put your
machine's hostname here, as a first approximation.
>All mail from here or specified other local machines to anywhere on
>the internet will be accepted, as will mail from anywhere on the
>internet to here.
>Are there any domains you want to relay mail for---that is, you are
>prepared to accept mail for them from anywhere on the internet, but
>they are not local domains.
[...]
>Enter value (default=`none', `x' to restart):
Say 'none' unless you know what you're doing.
[...]
>Are there any networks of local machines you want to relay mail for?
[...]
>Enter value (default=`none', `x' to restart):
Again, say 'none' unless you know what you're doing. (If you did, you
probably wouldn't be asking. :))
[...]
>Note that the RBL only works if you receive mail directly. If it is
>stored for you at your ISP, the RBL won't work as it depends on the IP
>address the connection comes from.
>Would you like to use the RBL? ('f'ilter, 'r'eject, or 'n'o)?
>Enter value (default=`n', `x' to restart):
Entirely up to you, but if you use fetchmail from your ISP (which you
probably do) then there's no point saying anything other than 'n'.
>Which machine will act as the smarthost and handle outgoing mail?
>Enter value (`x' to restart):
Type whatever your ISP told you was the name of their SMTP server.
>Mail for the `postmaster' and `root' accounts is usually redirected
>to one or more user accounts, of the actual system administrators.
Give your normal non-root username. (If you don't have one, create one
as soon as possible.)
>THANKS
No problem, but it sounds like you're going to have real problems unless
you can find an English- and Spanish-speaking expert nearby to consult.
[Non-existent newsgroup comp.os.linux.help snipped, followups to
c.o.l.setup.]
--
Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
"On Usenet, pedantry is not in the service of beauty. It's not even
in the service of truth. It's in the service of EVEN MORE PEDANTRY."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Start Linux on 386
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:49:57 GMT
Please help me with my first steps .... ;-)
I want to install Linux on 386 computer
right now now it have msdos 6 (8 MB ram, 1.4 floppy, 40 mb HD, modem,
mouse, keyboard)
Now I also put cd-rom (slave to HD).
Which step I need to take to run Linux with Netscape on this computer:
1. From which FTP I need dl first floppy instalation and what its name?
2. Do I need linux driver for CD-rom, or it will be in floppy
instalation ?
3. Is it possible to leave msdos on this mashine too (double boot?) - I
have one clipper exe file, I want to run.
Thank you.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yves Bellefeuille)
Subject: Re: Start Linux on 386
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:04:59 -0500
Reply-To: Yves Bellefeuille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I want to install Linux on 386 computer
> right now now it have msdos 6 (8 MB ram, 1.4 floppy, 40 mb HD, modem,
> mouse, keyboard)
> Now I also put cd-rom (slave to HD).
>
> Which step I need to take to run Linux with Netscape on this computer:
You won't be able to install and run Netscape with only 8 Mb of RAM and
a 40 Mb hard disk.
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From: Mike Mattix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: If I switch to Mandrake 7.2, will I take a hit?
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:58:09 -0600
a l t e r i t y wrote:
>
> Well I have been playing around with 7.2 for a few days now on a
> macine similar to yours, and I think it is a shit distribution,
> probably the worst I have used in 5 years of playing with Linux. I
> have had no end of problems.
>
> "nemo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >I run an AMD K6-2 400 with 60MB RAM, and 4MB shared RAM. With so little
> >resources, is it worth my while switching, as I've read that X-window
> >app.s, and window managers can be resource hogs. Is my system's
> >performnce likely to improve, suffer, or remain unchanged after a switch
> >from Win98SE to MDK 7.2?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> alterity
> canberra: the penetralia of australia
my $0.02 worth.
I have been working with Mandrake 7.2 for nearly a week now. Except for
some things left out I have found the installation to be great, the
performance to be good, and the stability to be outstanding.
I am not running a supermachine: Abit Socket7 Mbrd, WinChip@200MHz, 128MB,
Adaptec 2930 SCSI, two old slow narrow SCSI drives (4MB and 9MB), Intel
Etherexpress NIC, Diamond Viper 128 8MB Video. All of these are pieces
from other systems (hell the case is from a Gateway 386/16SX machine).
Works great and pretty good performance considering the chip and drives.
--
Mike Mattix
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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