Linux-Misc Digest #417, Volume #26               Tue, 28 Nov 00 15:13:02 EST

Contents:
  Re: Win98 and Linux2.0.36
  ignore test (vasant)
  Test Ignore (vasant)
  Re: Problems with Lucent WaveLAN IEE (Jeff Liebermann)
  Re: Can't mount or dd nonstandard floppy (Martin Gregorie)
  Conway's Game of Life for KDE? ("Eric")
  slocate and NFS ("Steve Wolfe")
  Linux/Linus reference... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  How Removing an installed application? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  On Enlightenment's dragbar (JCA)
  Migrate a running process from machine A to machine B (Snoopy)
  Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is... ("the_blur")
  Memory leak (Pim)
  Re: Migrate a running process from machine A to machine B (Harvey Taylor)
  3 NICs in a RH6.1 box ("Sylvain Drapeau")
  Xircom  RealPort CardBus RBEM56G ??? ("Cameron")
  via82cxx (Doug Angus)
  Re: Software RAID ("Deanna Bonds")
  Re: Good Linux distro for older Pentium box, your take? ("Gerald Pollack")

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win98 and Linux2.0.36
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:30:37 -0500

1) first, get a grip , and put down that hammer!! :) .

2) Set the new hdd to use lba , and  comply with win98's request.  Lilo can
handle lba , and so can the linux kernel .
3) use some tool to create a 20 mb ext2 primary partition at the begining of
the drive.
4) use fdisk to make a win98 fat32 partition , as big as you want ( suggest
1 gig for os, and apps install into a large extended partition's drive )
5) Install win98.
6) use fdisk to prepare the extended partition ( grab the whole remaining
area ) , and then put in logical drives for windows to access .
7 ) Reboot, use a tool like partionMAgic to set the 20 Mb ext2 primary as
active. Install the stock 2.036  , and set the 20 mb as the /boot partition.
8) Play with lilo till you can dual boot, and check that   win98 doesn't go
postal .  Using partition Magic or something else , mark the win98 boot
partition ( primary ) as bootable, but leave the linux partition as active .

9) now that win98 is ok, get your old disk with the customized kernel , and
copy the kernel and it's map file over to the /boot partition . Do not move
the libraries just yet.
10) Edit lilo.conf to point to the custom kernel. Install it.
11 ) Shut down, and reboot using your custom linux hdd. mount the new hdd,
and copy to the big drive all the necessary files , but LEAVE THE /BOOT
PARTITION ALONE!!
12 ) On your new hdd, edit /etc/fstab so that it points to the correct
partitions. Remember that the partitions that you see as hdbX or hdcX will
at final boot up look like hdaX .

Reconnect just the new drive ( set bios to lba ofcourse ) and boot.  you
should see LILO.

What did I just outline ?

You have to reinstall everyting, except for linux where all you need is a
bootable system.
It's a large hdd, which needs to use lba , perhaps and since windows won;t
change its stance, we let it do as it pleases and fit the other OS to handle
the resulting situation.

You made a 20 mb partition at the begining in which the linux kernel resides
( <1024 cylinders! ), so that the kernel can be booted.
You made a second partition from which win98 can be booted.
You divided up the hdd for use by win98 and linux.
Installed linux so that the boot files are accessable.

Then you copied over the customized kernel files , and told lilo where to
find it. Since the next step is to change the rest of linux's data so that
it is current with the custom built one, you boot the custom built one, and
copy the necessary files to the new hdd . Then , you fix fdtab so that the
mounts points match up.

That's it.

Just remember to use cp , and not dd . Why ? because if you dd a partition
of 1 gig into a 5 gig extended partition, it will write into the first 1 gig
of the 5 gig partition. Now you can't access the remaining 4 gigs!. That's
why you use cp, along with the option I thhink "-p" to preserve the
attributes.

Not pretty , a bit involved , but I've been down this path before, when I
made a copy of my gateway ( 500mb hdd ) onto a 2 gig drive , as a backup.

hth





Tilo Wuensche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi, I got a new computer with a bigger harddisk. For some reason I need my
old
> Linux System (modified RedHat5.2) with kernel 2.0.36. Now for an other
reason
> I need Windows or one big program for Windows respectively.
> I configured my harddisk in normal. i.e. CHS, mode and copied my Linux to
the
> harddisk. Because of very small h-value my bootable section (1024
cylinders)
> is to small to fit all the Win98 stuff at it. So I need a logical
partition to
> install the Win98 program. The system fits into the boot partition. I
screwed
> up. Win98 tells me for some reason it wants to have LBA accessing. I
managed
> to configure the Win98 partitions in Linux (I shouldn't do). I fooled
windows
> a bit and installed the logical device as Win95 >32 (LBA). If I use any
other
> mode windows tells me something gone wrong at boot and tries scandisk with
> smashing the hole disk. With  LBA mode partitions I need to reformat the
> partition after each reboot of Win98, quiet a big problem since my program
or
> windows respectively needs to reboot after installing.
>
> Has somebody any suggestions to me?
>
> Tanks in advance
> Tilo
>
> --
> Tilo Wuensche
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>



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From: vasant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ignore test
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:33:32 -0800

This is a test
 vk


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From: vasant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Test Ignore
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:37:24 -0800

This is a test vk


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From: Jeff Liebermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
es.comp.os.linux.misc,linux.redhat.misc,es.comp.misc,alt.periphs.pcmcia,alt.internet.wireless
Subject: Re: Problems with Lucent WaveLAN IEE
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:39:40 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:46:26 +0100, Edu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>I have a PC with pcmcia-cs-3.1.15 which includes support for
>WaveLAN/IEEE Linux driver v1.0.4.
>
>I need to work with a Lucent Technologies WaveLAN/IEEE 802.11 card on a
>PC with Red Hat 6.2 (kernel 2.2.14).

See:
  http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wavelan-IEEE.html
There are two drivers.  The one from Lucent is IMHO lousy.  Try the
other.  You might want to update your PCMCIA driver pile to 3.1.22 or
later which is probably the problem.


-- 
Jeff Liebermann  150 Felker St #D  Santa Cruz CA 95060
(831)421-6491 pgr (831)426-1240 fax (831)336-2558 home
http://www.cruzio.com/~jeffl   WB6SSY
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Gregorie)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Can't mount or dd nonstandard floppy
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:41:44 GMT

On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:54:25 GMT, "John W. Krahn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>SpinRite will repair BOTH hard disks and floppy disks.
>
Maybe so but DON'T REPAIR THE DISKS because this will merely destroy
them. 

Write Protect them immediately if this hasn't already been done.

What you really need to know is what OS the SCM used and from there
get to the disk format. The variables that you'll need to lock down
before you can read the disks are:

- number of sides used
- number of tracks per side (40 or 80)
- single or double density recording (some OSs used single density for
track zero and single or double density for the rest depending on the
drive)
- block size (and hence the number of blocks/track)
- interleave factor (CP/M boxes tended to have a different interleave
for each OEM manufacturer)
- if the drive was a 5.25" high density type, was it double density
(720KB) or a HD drive (1.2 MB). the spindle RPMs are different and an
HD drive won't read from a DD disk and vice versa 

Knowing this little lot will let you read blocks from the disk
reliably.

Now all you need to know is how files were organised on the disk:

- a single volume directory or were subdirectories supported?
- where does the root directory start?
- what is the directory entry format?
- is there a FAT equivalent or are linking block numbers stored in
each block?
- how is end of file marked?

I'm not trying to put you off, but it is a very difficult area and
I've been there before with an OS or two. Probably the easy way out
is, as has been suggested, to find an old SCM and use that to read the
disks. If it can't talk to another machine, consider printing the lot
and scanning it into a more modern system.

If you can find out the disk format you may be able to find another
machine that can read the disks. There should be plenty that can read
CP/M, TRS-80, CP/86 or Flex09 disks. I know the interleave factor is a
pain for CP/M, but at least there you only have to try the (limited)
number of combinations once you know itrs a CP/M disk.

If you friend really values his data it might be best for him to bite
the bullet, go to a specialist data recovery firm and pay them to copy
ther disks onto something that is readable, like a DOS floppy or
CD-ROM


HTH

--
gregorie  | Martin Gregorie
@logica   | Logica Ltd
com       | +44 020 76379111

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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Conway's Game of Life for KDE?
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:32:33 -0500

Does anyone know if and where I can get the famous "Conway's Game of Life"
screen saver for KDE?

Thanks,
Eric



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From: "Steve Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: slocate and NFS
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:37:13 -0700


  I'm having a bit of a problem with the slocate database, after searching
deja.com, it appears I'm having the opposite problem as most people.

   I *want* the "updatedb" command to also index the volumes that are
mounted via NFS.  From what I've found on deja, it appears that used to be
the default.  This is from a RedHat 6.2 installation.... any info would be
appreciated.

steve

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux/Linus reference...
Date: 28 Nov 2000 13:56:16 -0500

Can anyone give me a published book/article on Linux (preferably by
Linus Torvalds) which one could use in an article as a general
citation? E.g., for UNIX the standard reference seems to be the
1978 Ritchie and Thompson article in the Bell Labs Technical Journal
(although there was also a CACM article around the same time).

Thanks for any suggestions,
steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How Removing an installed application?
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:04:27 GMT

Hi,

suppose I had installed an application called something.tar.gz.
For installing it I created for it a directory:
 /usr/local/src/somthing/
How I can remove proprely all traces of this application on my system?

Thanks


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From: JCA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: On Enlightenment's dragbar
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:50:35 -0800


    Anybody know if the Enlightenment dragbar can be made to
self-hide when the pointer is not on it? That is, just like the
KDE or GNOME panels. Additionally, is it possible to specify
that the dragbar is always to remain on top of any other windows?

    The problem that I have is that running Enlightenment+GNOME
on my laptop quite often leads me to annoying situations in which a
single window covers the whole of my screen. If the dragbar had the
self-hiding behavior above my life would be easier.




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From: Snoopy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Migrate a running process from machine A to machine B
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:19:02 -0700

Hello
    Is it possible to do that?
       This idea is quite simple, we just want to migrate ( hope that
this is the correct wording) a running process on Linux machine A to
another Linux machine B.  Both machines have the exactly same
environments plus the following assumptions
    (1) This process does not use any semaphore.
    (2) No network communication established.
    (3) No open files.

    Just wonder that has this projec done by any people, if so, please
show me where I can find this information?

Best

STC


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From: "the_blur" <the_blur_oc@*removespamguard*hotmail.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is...
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:27:04 -0500

> Great, Fred.  So instead of "improving" the operating system, I
> can waste time reading your message.  I don't particularly give
> a good goddamn either, what the KDE or GNOME projects' perspective
> is about the penguin.  AFAIK, they simply went ahead and devised
> their own logos, which is just fine with me.  Linux is the work
> of the people who wrote it, and so is KDE, GNOME, etc., ad
> infinitum, not yours...., and I could almost guarantee you that
> they don't care what you think.  But I don't speak for them, as
> you've presumed to do here.

Hehe, you were gonna read my message anyway, and you know it =) Otherwise
you could just put me on your killfile and never have to hear my inane
arguments again. I invite you to do so now.

But, where did I presume to speak for anyone but myself (aside from the
little HID bit) ?

Gotta love that Linux community spirit eh? =)

Cheers!




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pim)
Subject: Memory leak
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:29:53 GMT


I've got a memory leak somewhere in my system. There are no user
programs that show abnormal memory usage. The problem are the buffers.
A sample output of vmstat 60 is:

[root@unix /proc/sys/net/ipv4]# vmstat 60
   procs                      memory    swap          io     system
cpu
 r  b  w   swpd   free   buff  cache  si  so    bi    bo   in    cs
us  sy  id
 0  0  0    876   2012   2752  47192   0   0     6     3  113    18
1   0  99
 0  0  0    876   2000   2760  47192   0   0     0     3  110    10
1   0  99
 0  0  0    876   1992   2764  47192   0   0     0     3  110     9
0   0 100
 0  0  0    876   1992   2764  47192   0   0     0     3  111    10
0   0 100
 0  0  0    876   1984   2772  47192   0   0     0     3  111     9
0   0 100
 0  0  0    876   1980   2776  47192   0   0     0     2  111     9
0   0 100
 0  0  0    876   1928   2860  47024   0   0     2     4  116    20
2   0  98
 0  0  0    876   1796   2860  47044   0   0     0     3  112    11
1   0  99
 0  0  0    876   1776   2872  47052   0   0     0     3  111     9
0   0 100

So, the memory used for buffers is slowly increasing, until the system
crashes. When the system boots, only about 2M is used for buffers.
I've seen it being 17M and more (until it crashes), and if I kill all
user processes, it remains the same. I am using 2.2.17.

I hope someone can help me.

The output from ps aux is:

[root@unix /usr/src/linux/Documentation]# ps aux
USER       PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
root         1  0.0  0.1  1100   68 ?        S    15:19   0:06 init
[3]
root         2  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        SW   15:19   0:00
[kflushd]
root         3  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        SW   15:19   0:00
[kupdate]
root         4  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        SW   15:19   0:00 [kpiod]
root         5  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        SW   15:19   0:00
[kswapd]
root         6  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        SW   15:19   0:00
[md_thread]
root       486  0.0  0.0  1076    0 tty1     SW   15:20   0:00
[mingetty]
root       529  0.0  0.3  1840  224 ?        S    15:21   0:01 sshd -i
root       534  0.0  0.8  1768  520 pts/2    S    15:21   0:00 -bash
root      4870  0.0  0.4  1588  312 ?        S    16:35   0:00 sshd -p
1000
root      5070  0.0  0.1  1120   64 ?        S    16:54   0:00 inetd
root      9495  0.0  0.8  1304  540 ?        S    17:02   0:00 crond
root      9527  0.0  0.7  1156  480 ?        S    17:03   0:03 syslogd
-m 0
root      9538  0.0  1.0  1404  640 ?        S    17:03   0:00 klogd
root     10160  0.0  0.3  1812  192 ?        S    18:51   0:00 sshd -i
root     10163  0.0  1.1  1780  704 pts/0    S    18:51   0:00 -bash
root     18032  0.0  1.7  2432 1100 ?        S    18:53   0:00
/usr/local/apache
www      18033  0.0  2.1  2640 1344 ?        S    18:53   0:00
/usr/local/apache
www      18034  0.0  2.2  2640 1452 ?        S    18:53   0:00
/usr/local/apache
www      18035  0.0  2.3  2640 1456 ?        S    18:53   0:00
/usr/local/apache
www      18036  0.0  2.3  2648 1456 ?        S    18:53   0:00
/usr/local/apache
www      18037  0.0  2.3  2640 1456 ?        S    18:53   0:00
/usr/local/apache
named    18158  0.0  3.7  3172 2388 ?        S    19:02   0:00 named
-u named -g
www      18288  0.0  2.3  2648 1456 ?        S    19:19   0:00
/usr/local/apache
www      18289  0.0  2.3  2648 1460 ?        S    19:19   0:00
/usr/local/apache
www      18290  0.0  2.3  2648 1472 ?        S    19:19   0:00
/usr/local/apache
root     18291  0.0  1.5  1812 1004 ?        S    19:19   0:00 sshd -i
root     18293  0.0  1.5  1764 1000 pts/1    S    19:19   0:00 -bash
www      18494  0.0  2.3  2648 1456 ?        S    20:01   0:00
/usr/local/apache
www      18495  0.0  2.3  2648 1456 ?        S    20:01   0:00
/usr/local/apache
root     23767  0.0  1.7  2108 1112 ?        S    21:00   0:00
sendmail: accepti
root     23818  0.0  0.7  1128  492 pts/1    S    21:06   0:00 vmstat
60
root     23991  0.0  1.3  2504  856 pts/0    R    21:27   0:00 ps aux


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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:40:26 -0800
From: Harvey Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Migrate a running process from machine A to machine B

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Snoopy wrote:
>     Is it possible to do that?
>        This idea is quite simple, we just want to migrate ( hope that
> this is the correct wording) a running process on Linux machine A to
> another Linux machine B.  Both machines have the exactly same
> environments plus the following assumptions
>     (1) This process does not use any semaphore.
>     (2) No network communication established.
>     (3) No open files.
> 
>     Just wonder that has this projec done by any people, if so, please
> show me where I can find this information?
>

        The place where I have run into something similar to this
        is in fault tolerant, automatic switchover telecom systems.
        In general things get troublesome quickly.
        If it is at all possible, try to avoid problems by simplifying.
        How much state knowledge/data does the process have? 
        I don't have any links for you, but a search for "fault tolerance" 
        AND "telecom" would probably turn up something.
<have fun>
-het

 
-- 
"progress in software has not followed Moore's law." 
 -John Holland (the inventor of Genetic algorithms) 

Harvey Taylor  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.pangea.ca/~het


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From: "Sylvain Drapeau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 3 NICs in a RH6.1 box
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:40:09 -0500

Hello!

They are PureData Lite-On LNE100TX with LC82C169B PNIC chipset and only the
first one on the PCI bus seems to work. I can ping either of the three cards
using their own IP address but only the first can see its network. They are
on three different networks (10.0.0, 192.168.0, 206,162,162)

/proc/pci mentions the three cards but only the first one seems to have an
IRQ.

my ifcfg-eth# are ok, my conf.modules is ok and I get no error message while
booting.

Why does this happen?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sylvain Drapeau
Solutions Informatiques SIGMA Inc.
tél: (418)851-2943 x104
      (418)851-4254
fax: (418)851-4580
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.sigma-techno.com



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From: "Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Xircom  RealPort CardBus RBEM56G ???
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:33:53 -0600
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup

Can anyone tell me if Linux supports a Xircom RealPort CardBus Ethernet
10/100 + Modem 56 (RBEM56G-100) PCMCIA card?  I am mainly interested in
using it with Red Hat, and also Mandrake (both are the latest versions).

If this card does work under Linux, can you help me with DETAILED
instructions on how to configure Linux to use/work with the card, please?
(E.g. which config files to modify, which network settings, which "adapter"
to use, etc. etc. etc.)

Thank you very much (in advance)   :-)

Cameron Ninham
cpn66 at hotmail dot com














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From: Doug Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: via82cxx
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:35:36 -0500


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I have the via82cxx module loaded and can run applications such as
xmms.  Only problem is that no sound
comes out.

In /etc/conf.modules I have

alias eth0 3c59x
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
alias sound-slot-0 via82cxxx
options sb support=1

and in /proc/modules

lockd                  30344   1 (autoclean)
sunrpc                 52132   1 (autoclean) [lockd]
3c59x                  18980   1 (autoclean)
via82cxxx               2708   0
sb                     33332   0 [via82cxxx]
uart401                 6224   0 [via82cxxx sb]
sound                  56792   0 [via82cxxx sb uart401]
soundlow                 420   0 [sound]
soundcore               2628   7 [sb sound]
raid1                   7940   2

Any ideas about what's going on?

--
Doug Angus
Department of Geological Sciences & Geological Engineering
Queen's University, Kingston, ON, K7L 3N6, Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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&nbsp;
<br>I have the via82cxx module loaded and can run applications such as
xmms.&nbsp; Only problem is that no sound
<br>comes out.
<p>In /etc/conf.modules I have
<p>alias eth0 3c59x
<br>alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
<br>alias sound-slot-0 via82cxxx
<br>options sb support=1
<p>and in /proc/modules
<p>lockd&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
30344&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 (autoclean)
<br>sunrpc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
52132&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 (autoclean) [lockd]
<br>3c59x&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
18980&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 (autoclean)
<br>via82cxxx&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
2708&nbsp;&nbsp; 0
<br>sb&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
33332&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 [via82cxxx]
<br>uart401&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
6224&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 [via82cxxx sb]
<br>sound&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
56792&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 [via82cxxx sb uart401]
<br>soundlow&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
420&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 [sound]
<br>soundcore&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
2628&nbsp;&nbsp; 7 [sb sound]
<br>raid1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
7940&nbsp;&nbsp; 2
<p>Any ideas about what's going on?
<pre>--&nbsp;
Doug Angus
Department of Geological Sciences &amp; Geological Engineering
Queen's University, Kingston, ON, K7L 3N6, Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]</pre>
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From: "Deanna Bonds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Software RAID
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:03:13 -0500
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.linux

Hey

I am the person at Adaptec that is responsible for the driver for the 2100s.
I must say that the performance test numbers may be somewhat skewed due to
problems with the driver.  When I took responsibility for the I2O RAID
driver I noticed a few major performance bottlenecks.  I almost have
rewritten the driver in the next upcoming release to remove these
bottlenecks.  There should be a significant performance increase.   I would
hold off making any tactical decisions on hardware vs. software until after
some performance numbers can be taken with the new driver.

Also as a side note,  disk io is not the only  performance numbers that
should be considered.  CPU utilization of software RAID will slow the
overall performance of the machine.  For some this may not be noticeable,
but if you really load down your computer you will notice a difference.

Deanna


"Warren Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > First let me say I know NOTHING about software RAID in Linux.
>
> It was not necessary to make this statement.  It is self-evident.
>
> > That said, I have a server with Software RAID on a SUN running Solaris,
> > and I would never inflict Software RAID on another machine as long as I
> > live.  Hardware RAID can hide a lot of things from the user, and be just
> > about as 'fast' as an individual disk.  Software RAID is going to slow
> > your disk writes, well REALLY BAD.
>
> Your mistake is in applying your Solaris experience to Linux, which is
> always a mistake.  (Speaking as one who has used Solaris' cousin
> UnixWare for years.)
>
> Take it from one who has actually done benchmarks of software vs.
> low-end hardware RAID (the Adaptec 2100S): Linux's software RAID is
> impressively fast.  In many cases, it's much faster than the hardware
> RAID.  (In particular, RAID 0 is much faster in software.)
>
> Part of this is no doubt because my system has a 500 MHz processor and
> the RAID card only has a 66 MHz (?) processor.  In the bad old days of
> double-digit main CPUs, hardware RAID might have done better against
> software RAID.
>
> Let's also not forget that people call it "Slowaris" for a reason...
> --
> = Warren -- ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m



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From: "Gerald Pollack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Good Linux distro for older Pentium box, your take?
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:55:05 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "//.././"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a Pentium 166 with 64 meg of RAM and a separate 6 gig harddisk
> for linux. I used to run Red Hat 6.0; the performance was good, although
> it pages quite a bit when GIMP and Netscape are used (especially at the
> same time). Recently I upgraded to Linux-Mandrake 7.2 and I noticed a
> performance hit, to the point of being annoying. (I also have a problem
> with no sound, but that's another issue).
> 
> I'm thinking of switching to some (possibly older) distribution. I have
> couple choices: RedHat 6.1, 6.2, 7.0, or Corel Linux 2nd ed. (I don't
> have the RH6.0 disks anymore).
> 
> What would you recommend? My priorities are: stability, performance
> (with stability being slightly more important).
> 
> TIA

One of my systems has similar specs, and I run Mandrake 7.0. Performance
is poor if I run gnome (haven't tried kde), but with 'bare' icewm, it's
fine. My problems have been with the newer versions of some software,
rather than with the OS. E.g., netscape 6.0, StarOffice 5.2 are both
unbelievably slower than their predecessors (netscape 4.7, SO 5.1), both
of which are ok on my system (though not running simultaneously).

-- 
G. Pollack
Dept. of Biology, McGill Univ.

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