Linux-Misc Digest #434, Volume #26 Thu, 30 Nov 00 21:13:02 EST
Contents:
Linux Counter: 162136 registered Linux users ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: vim: can't turn on syntax highlighting (Dances With Crows)
Re: unchangable file! [OTHER] (Dances With Crows)
Re: Gnome and KDE (Robert Kiesling)
Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is... (John A Lee)
Re: What RealPlayer version do u have? (Michel Catudal)
Re: /dev/ owner entries being changed (Robert Lynch)
Re: RealPlayer 7 can't open audio device (Michel Catudal)
Help config standalone INN (albert flores)
Re: [Fwd: cannot connect to linux] (Mark Post)
Re: Gnome and KDE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux Counter: 162136 registered Linux users
Date: 1 Dec 2000 01:00:03 GMT
This is the monthly report from the Linux Usage Counter.
It is posted on the 1st of every month on the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.misc, and on the Linux Counter "announce" list.
Registration and information is available via the World
Wide Web; connect to URL http://counter.li.org/
This is the preferred interface to the counter.
NOTE: You can UPDATE your record in the counter if you have
your registration key, which was sent to you when you registered.
EMAIL:
To enter your registration into the statistics, send an E-mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], with the SUBJECT line containing the word "Linux",
such as:
I use Linux at home
I use Linux at work
I use Linux at school
Any questions should be adressed to the maintainer of the counter,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good luck!
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This is the Linux Counter summary as of Fri Dec 1 00:42:00 2000
There are 162136 persons registerd.
3023 users have been registered by friends.
There are 84804 machines registered.
I guesstimate that between 0.2% and 5% of all Linux users have
registered with the Linux Counter.
So the total number of Linux users is probably between
3,242,720 and 81,068,000 people.
WHERE LINUX USERS LIVE
The table is sorted by number of Linux users divided by population
No Country Pers Fri Mach P/Mpop Mpop
======================================================================
1 IS Iceland 251 4 112 928.6 0.3
2 FO Faroe Islands 36 0 6 820.8 0.0
3 NO Norway 3416 49 1532 779.2 4.4
4 FI Finland 3575 55 1825 700.3 5.1
5 DK Denmark 3344 17 1306 637.0 5.2
6 SE Sweden 5113 60 2493 574.4 8.9
7 AQ Antarctica 2 0 0 486.0 0.0
8 NF Norfolk Island 1 0 0 452.7 0.0
9 EE Estonia 553 16 344 378.9 1.5
10 SI Slovenia 697 8 183 357.2 2.0
11 GI Gibraltar 8 1 11 278.1 0.0
12 NL Netherlands 4140 51 2143 265.9 15.6
13 CA Canada 6605 83 3496 229.2 28.8
14 AT Austria 1802 31 1040 224.6 8.0
15 MC Monaco 7 1 4 220.7 0.0
16 LU Luxembourg 90 0 50 216.4 0.4
17 IE Ireland 724 5 300 203.0 3.6
18 AU Australia 3533 50 2030 193.5 18.3
19 CY Cyprus 139 0 18 186.7 0.7
20 NZ New Zealand 661 3 399 186.3 3.5
21 CH Switzerland 1292 16 778 179.3 7.2
22 US USA 47433 832 24769 178.0 266.5
23 BE Belgium 1704 525 874 167.5 10.2
24 HU Hungary 1584 48 866 158.4 10.0
25 DE Germany 11215 187 5980 134.3 83.5
26 LI Liechtenstein 4 0 3 128.5 0.0
27 SG Singapore 433 7 171 127.5 3.4
28 PT Portugal 1223 9 378 124.0 9.9
29 GL Greenland 7 0 5 120.3 0.1
30 FR France 6813 111 2724 116.8 58.3
31 ES Spain 4436 32 1274 113.2 39.2
32 KR Korea (South) 5140 19 518 113.0 45.5
33 AD Andorra 8 0 6 109.9 0.1
34 PL Poland 4210 55 1715 108.9 38.6
35 GB Great Britain 6361 109 3372 108.8 58.5
36 IL Israel 545 13 269 100.5 5.4
37 KY Cayman Islands 3 0 3 86.6 0.0
38 VG Virgin Islands (British) 1 0 0 75.8 0.0
39 CZ Czech Republic 769 21 441 74.5 10.3
40 BG Bulgaria 620 6 235 72.0 8.6
41 CR Costa Rica 243 0 92 70.2 3.5
42 LT Lithuania 237 3 112 65.0 3.6
43 HR Croatia 305 6 87 60.9 5.0
44 GR Greece 633 13 247 60.1 10.5
45 PW Palau 1 0 0 59.0 0.0
46 UY Uruguay 191 0 47 59.0 3.2
47 IT Italy 3232 64 1361 56.2 57.5
48 NC New Caledonia 10 0 15 53.3 0.2
49 BM Bermuda 3 0 4 48.3 0.1
50 SV El Salvador 271 0 32 46.5 5.8
51 BR Brazil 7422 59 1506 45.6 162.7
52 VE Venezuela 987 3 174 44.9 22.0
53 GU Guam 7 0 2 44.6 0.2
54 AW Aruba 3 0 0 44.3 0.1
55 BN Brunei 13 0 7 43.3 0.3
56 RO Romania 922 36 449 42.6 21.7
57 MV Maldives 11 0 1 40.6 0.3
58 MT Malta 15 0 10 39.9 0.4
59 SK Slovakia 214 1 133 39.8 5.4
60 BB Barbados 10 0 3 38.9 0.3
61 SC Seychelles 3 0 0 38.7 0.1
62 AR Argentina 1305 6 344 37.6 34.7
63 CL Chile 444 6 161 31.0 14.3
64 VI Virgin Islands (U.S.) 3 0 1 30.9 0.1
65 TW Taiwan 647 5 212 30.1 21.5
66 MX Mexico 2872 18 476 30.0 95.8
67 LV Latvia 74 0 49 30.0 2.5
68 PR Puerto Rico 113 0 23 29.6 3.8
69 ZA South Africa 1170 10 503 28.0 41.7
70 MY Malaysia 549 6 142 27.5 20.0
71 RE Reunion 18 0 6 26.5 0.7
72 TT Trinidad and Tobago 32 1 5 25.1 1.3
73 FM Micronesia, Federated States 3 0 0 23.9 0.1
74 AN Netherlands Antilles 5 0 3 23.9 0.2
75 BS Bahamas 6 0 2 23.1 0.3
76 PF French Polynesia 5 0 4 22.2 0.2
77 BH Bahrain 12 0 6 20.3 0.6
78 KW Kuwait 38 0 13 19.5 2.0
79 MP Northern Mariana Islands 1 0 1 19.1 0.1
80 PA Panama 50 0 22 18.8 2.7
81 BZ Belize 4 0 7 18.2 0.2
82 AM Armenia 62 0 9 17.9 3.5
83 GP Guadeloupe 7 0 5 17.2 0.4
84 MH Marshall Islands 1 0 0 17.1 0.1
85 AS American Samoa 1 0 0 16.8 0.1
86 BA Bosnia and Herzegovina 43 0 6 16.2 2.7
87 MO Macau 8 0 1 16.1 0.5
88 CO Colombia 565 3 165 15.3 36.8
89 AG Antigua and Barbuda 1 0 2 15.2 0.1
90 YU Yugoslavia (Serbia and Monte 162 6 82 15.1 10.8
91 TR Turkey 936 9 197 15.0 62.5
92 MU Mauritius 17 0 4 14.9 1.1
93 RU Russia 2088 34 779 14.1 148.2
94 AE United Arab Emirates 40 1 15 13.1 3.1
95 PY Paraguay 68 0 15 12.4 5.5
96 DM Dominica 1 0 0 12.1 0.1
97 NA Namibia 20 0 11 11.9 1.7
98 TN Tunisia 105 0 16 11.6 9.0
99 VU Vanuatu 2 0 3 11.3 0.2
100 QA Qatar 6 1 3 11.0 0.5
101 UA Ukraine 545 10 231 10.7 50.9
102 CU Cuba 116 6 27 10.6 11.0
103 MQ Martinique 4 0 2 10.0 0.4
104 PE Peru 231 0 35 9.4 24.5
105 EH Western Sahara 2 0 2 9.0 0.2
106 MK Macedonia 18 2 4 8.6 2.1
107 VC Saint Vincent and the Grenad 1 0 0 8.4 0.1
108 LB Lebanon 31 1 6 8.2 3.8
109 JP Japan 955 6 292 7.6 125.4
110 BO Bolivia 54 0 12 7.5 7.2
111 BY Belarus 78 5 32 7.5 10.4
112 ST Sao Tome and Principe 1 0 0 6.9 0.1
113 EC Ecuador 77 0 15 6.7 11.5
114 PH Philippines 476 4 99 6.4 74.5
115 LC Saint Lucia 1 0 0 6.3 0.2
116 MD Moldova 28 0 8 6.3 4.5
117 DO Dominican Republic 41 0 12 5.1 8.1
118 JM Jamaica 13 0 3 5.0 2.6
119 GT Guatemala 54 0 12 4.8 11.3
120 BW Botswana 7 0 3 4.7 1.5
121 SR Suriname 2 0 4 4.6 0.4
122 CM Cameroon 64 0 8 4.5 14.3
123 TH Thailand 248 3 92 4.2 58.9
124 GY Guyana 3 0 1 4.2 0.7
125 HN Honduras 22 0 7 3.9 5.6
126 NI Nicaragua 16 0 5 3.7 4.3
127 OM Oman 8 0 1 3.7 2.2
128 MN Mongolia 8 0 8 3.2 2.5
129 PS Palestine 8 0 0 3.1 2.6
130 KZ Kazakhstan 49 0 20 2.9 16.9
131 ID Indonesia 569 34 168 2.8 206.6
132 JO Jordan 10 0 3 2.4 4.2
133 GE Georgia 10 0 29 1.9 5.2
134 LK Sri Lanka 32 1 2 1.7 18.6
135 SA Saudi Arabia 30 0 11 1.5 19.4
136 KG Kyrgyzstan 7 0 2 1.5 4.5
137 AL Albania 5 1 4 1.5 3.2
138 AZ Azerbaijan 11 0 3 1.4 7.7
139 IN India 1341 16 332 1.4 952.1
140 ZM Zambia 12 0 4 1.3 9.2
141 NP Nepal 28 0 0 1.3 22.1
142 ZW Zimbabwe 14 0 8 1.2 11.3
143 EG Egypt 75 1 12 1.2 63.6
144 CN China 1417 4 239 1.2 1210.0
145 PG Papua New Guinea 5 0 1 1.1 4.4
146 MA Morocco 33 0 14 1.1 29.8
147 UZ Uzbekistan 25 0 8 1.1 23.4
148 DZ Algeria 28 0 10 1.0 29.2
149 GA Gabon 1 0 3 0.9 1.2
150 IR Iran 53 0 23 0.8 66.1
151 SN Senegal 7 0 0 0.8 9.1
152 PK Pakistan 98 5 18 0.8 129.3
153 CI Cote d'Ivoire 10 0 5 0.7 14.8
154 MG Madagascar 9 0 4 0.7 13.7
155 LY Libya 3 0 1 0.6 5.4
156 NE Niger 5 0 0 0.5 9.1
157 VN Vietnam 40 0 5 0.5 74.0
158 KE Kenya 15 0 4 0.5 28.2
159 MR Mauritania 1 0 0 0.4 2.3
160 BD Bangladesh 43 0 8 0.3 123.1
161 MZ Mozambique 6 0 2 0.3 17.9
162 CF Central African Republic 1 0 0 0.3 3.3
163 RW Rwanda 2 0 0 0.3 6.9
164 ER Eritrea 1 0 0 0.3 3.4
165 BF Burkina Faso 3 0 1 0.3 10.6
166 TM Turkmenistan 1 0 1 0.2 4.1
167 TG Togo 1 0 0 0.2 4.6
168 TZ Tanzania 6 0 0 0.2 29.1
169 LA Laos 1 0 2 0.2 5.0
170 KH Cambodia 2 0 1 0.2 10.9
171 TJ Tajikistan 1 0 1 0.2 5.9
172 HT Haiti 1 0 1 0.1 6.7
173 MW Malawi 1 0 0 0.1 9.5
174 UG Uganda 2 0 0 0.1 20.2
175 AO Angola 1 0 0 0.1 10.3
176 YE Yemen 1 0 1 0.1 13.5
177 NG Nigeria 7 0 1 0.1 103.9
178 SY Syria 1 0 0 0.1 15.6
179 ET Ethiopia 3 0 0 0.1 57.2
180 XW The World (Somewhere in it) 277 207 1 0.0 5771.9
181 SD Sudan 1 0 0 0.0 31.5
182 CD Democratic Congo 1 0 0 0.0 46.5
183 WF Wallis and Futuna Islands 1 0 1 0.0 0.0
WHERE PEOPLE USE LINUX
Place Users Percent
==============================
school 33581 21.01%
home 142054 88.86%
not used 21 0.01%
work 68828 43.06%
somewhere 2859 1.79%
==============================
TOTAL 159860 100.00%
NOTE: The total is the 159860 users who answered this question.
Some gave more than one answer, so the number of answers is 247343
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: vim: can't turn on syntax highlighting
Date: 1 Dec 2000 01:01:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 30 Nov 2000 20:03:08 GMT, Peter Moore wrote:
>:syntax on
>gives me the error message: Sorry, this command is not implemented.
>This is on a system w/ Red Hat 6.2, vim 5.6.11
>Any help / ideas would be appreciated.
Does the directory /usr/share/vim/vim56/syntax exist, and is it full of
.vim files? And, oddly enough, my .vimrc contains the line
so ${VIMRUNTIME}/syntax/syntax.vim
so try that? I should know more about this, but syntax highlighting
has Just Worked for me wherever I've used vim.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: unchangable file! [OTHER]
Date: 1 Dec 2000 01:01:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:28:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I have 2 files on an ext2 partition (on a local raid5 device) that
>I cannot change in any way.
>
># ls -l MGTPRC_0711.dat MGTPRC_0771.dat
>pr-Sr-S--T 1 28912 games 0 Nov 22 08:23 MGTPRC_0711.dat
>-r-sr-Sr-T 1 25993 games 4096 Nov 22 08:23 MGTPRC_0771.dat
[snipp]
The existence of these files with extremely funky permission bits and
nonexistent UIDs implies that there's something drastically wrong with
your filesystem. If the chattr -i thing mentioned by other posters
fails to get rid of these things, umount the partition and e2fsck -f it.
If that doesn't turn up a bunch of errors, read the man page for debugfs
about 3 times, then run debugfs on the partition, then e2fsck it again.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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Subject: Re: Gnome and KDE
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 01:10:36 GMT
"Garry Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Robert Kiesling"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think you're all seriously missing the point here. X
> > is a client/server GUI.
>
> Not missing the point... Just trying not to simplicate things too
> much.
I think the accuracy is justified, especially because X seemingly
labels things backward from other systems. I didn't quite infer that
point the previous messages.... If I draw inferences, I like to
have more background than the information that was there.
--
Robert Kiesling
Linux FAQ Maintainer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mainmatter.com/linux-faq/toc.html http://www.mainmatter.com/
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From: John A Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is...
Date: 30 Nov 2000 21:49:50 +0000
"the_blur" <the_blur_oc@*removespamguard*hotmail.com> writes:
<snip>
> Are you accusing me of plagiarism? Where specifically did you find my
> drawings other than on my website?
Don't worry yourself about anything Kulkis says. He's a well-known
Usenet liar and hatemonger who doesn't really know anything about
Linux or Unix despite his claims to be a "Systems Engineer".
If you doubt me, read his sig and work out what it tells you about
him. He's best killfiled.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What RealPlayer version do u have?
Date: 30 Nov 2000 19:24:07 -0600
Andrew Purugganan a écrit :
>
> My RealPlayer (free) has expired and has been nagging me to upgrade. When
> I go check out RealPlayer Basic 8 they only have Win, Mac, and Unix
> versions. Does this mean I can grab the Unix version? I am currently on
> Mandrake 6.0 Venus with a 2.2-13mdk kernel.
>
You choose the UNIX version and you find out that there is no version 8 but only 7.
You pick the linux version that you want and install it.
--
Tired of Microsoft's rebootive multitasking?
then it's time to upgrade to Linux.
http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat for all kinds of links and info
http://www.geocities.com/seinsiboire and
http://members.nbci.com/bbcat_rpm for SuSE 7.0 Linux RPM packages
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From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /dev/ owner entries being changed
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:25:44 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am running Redhat 6.1, and using KDE 1. Every now and then I look
> in the /dev directory and find something is changing the owner of
> the device files to a regular user (the one I log in as). For the life
> of me can't figure out what is going on. The files affected include
> fd[0-1]*, radio, dsp, audio, sequencer, video[0-2], winradio[0-1],
> js[0-3], hdd (cdrom drive), vbi[0-2], fb[0-7], vtx*, video*.
>
> The permissions are usually set to 0600. What is going on ?
I used to see this with RH 6.2 and ptys. I would try to run
xxgdb and be told that I didn't have permission for ptyXY. I did
a Yahoo search and saw some others complaining but no
explanation.
I've upgraded to RH 7.0 and it seems to have gone away (knock
wood!).
HTH. Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RealPlayer 7 can't open audio device
Date: 30 Nov 2000 19:33:08 -0600
Brian Goodyear a écrit :
>
> When I try to load a rm it throws this error "can't open audio device".
> My web search says to make sure the permissions for audio* and mixer*
> are set so the users can access these devices. I believe I have done
> this right.
> Is there something else?
>
> Brian
It is possible that KDE or gnome is hogging the sound card and keep you from using it.
Try disabling the noise support and reload the GUI to see if you can access it.
There are some system that supports sharing the sound card but from what I've seen
gnome or kde will prevent a foreign app from accessing the sound card.
Before I disabled sound support in gnome I would be unable to run any sound program on
the console with gnome in the background.
Basically it tells me that because of the moronic way the GUI is handling the sound, we
have no choice but to disable the use of the sound card by the GUI.
--
Tired of Microsoft's rebootive multitasking?
then it's time to upgrade to Linux.
http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat for all kinds of links and info
http://www.geocities.com/seinsiboire and
http://members.nbci.com/bbcat_rpm for SuSE 7.0 Linux RPM packages
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From: albert flores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help config standalone INN
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:43:35 -0600
After installing Inn-2.2.2 on Redhat 6.2 , trying to configure it for a
simple standalone isolated newsgroup server is another matter. I can
start it, and create groups, and post messages, but they expire after
about 7 days. I'm reading the expire man pages to try to figure that
out. Does anyone have some general tips for this "simple" type of
configuration. Do I have to worry about the "database" or other overhead
stuff. All I want is to be able to post messages and they should never
expire.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Post)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [Fwd: cannot connect to linux]
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:02:05 GMT
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:20:48 -0500, ekk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yes, thank you, I am able to ping the linux machines using this command. I
>am still figuring out how to find out if Win is passing encrypted passwords.
>Anyone know?
You're using Windows 98, so it _is_ using encrypted passwords.
Mark Post
Postmodern Consulting
Information Technology and Systems Management Consulting
To send me email, replace 'nospam' with 'home'.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome and KDE
Date: 30 Nov 2000 14:29:26 -0600
>>>>> "GC" == GC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
GC> ooh ok.. i think i get it. so basically if Gnome or KDE need
GC> X11 to run, and they can't run independently, right? so if i
GC> have X11, i can switch around from Gnome to KDE whenever i
GC> want?
No, I don't think you quite get it yet.
X is a client/server graphical system to which applications attach,
perhaps remotely across a network. GNOME and KDE represent widget and
utility libraries used to implement applications that request
graphical services from X.
The natural result of thisis that there's no reason why you
_can't_ run GNOME and KDE applications simultaneously.
The _only_ sort of application that _can't_ coexist with another is a
window manager. You can only run one window manager at a time. The
only reason that you might need to restart X is if the last thing
startx does is to spawn a _window manager_, and you want to change
_window managers_. <http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/> GNOME and KDE are
_not window managers_, despite all too common ignorant claims to the
contrary.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@ntlug.org")
<http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/xdesktop.html>
Smith's Test for Artificial Life:
When animal-rights activists and right-to-life protesters are marching
outside your laboratory, then you know you've definitely made progress
in your artificial life research. -- Donald A. Smith
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