At 09:45 AM 4/25/99 -0400, jamal wrote:
>
>On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Dennis wrote:
>
>> Hackers are called hackers for a reason. If you think that you can do
>> things better than the manufacturer, then use something else.
>
>Your bussiness model is limited. You are not going to win by hiding the
>source. Infact it is going to harm you.

LOL, and I guess Microsoft and Adobe and all the other companies
that dont provide source have "limited business models" too. Is that right,
Mr. Harvard Graduate?

 For example, I find your arrogance
>motivating. What is it that you have (in s/ware) that is lacking in
>Linux right now? Why should someone pay you $495? I looked at your web
>page and apart from the GUI and the Ingress computation, without needing
>to look at your code, i could guarantee you that ANKs Linux Traffic
>Control framework is superior to yours. Yours is a hack, designed to solve
>a short term problem. I am not sure why Alan is paying you so much
>attention. 

I think you've spent way too much time in the classroom. Thanks for the
uneducated "eval"...I's sure its really subjective. A "hack"...LOL, caching
is a "hack" too, but its very useful.

The proof of the pudding is in the taste, my friend, and we have customers
limiting THOUSANDS of hosts; environments that would require 5 $10,000.
packeteers. Our method works better than all of the classic theoretical
models....we are in environments where the $10,000. boxes have proved
ineffective.

Why should someone pay us $495? Very simple. First, they will spend
thousands of dollars worth of time trying to get the linux stuff to work,
only to find out it doesnt meet the demand. Add up the time to scour the
internet to gather the docs and code, hours of configuration and days of
testing and trying to figure out why their box pigs out under load. Even if
they decide to use it, then they have to deal with MRTG, another couple of
days. Busy ISPs dont have that kind of time. Secondly, they will save
thousands of dollars on bandwidth, because they will be able to put 10
times as many customers up with the same backbone bandwidth. Thirdly,
because it works, and gives them something that helps them run their
businesses more efficienty. $495 is a gift price, we've had people  throw
away $8000. boxes to use our stuff.

Allen pays me so much attention because he knows what I can do. Its really
too bad, because LINUX is suffering in the long run. You guys are spending
a lot of time defending your code instead of touting linux as a base OS.
Your desire to to make linux everything and to bash everything done
externally is denying your customer base of the choices they should have.
Touting slow, archiacly designed sync boards over state of the art
technology, touting theory over products that exist now. The only best
interests you serve is your own egos, at the expense of the LINUX customer
base. We address needs of the marketplace. The needs of hackers are not
mainstream.

Dennis


>Ingress policing/shaping is hardly a worthwile feature in a shared bus
>environment like a PC -- however, to just say we have it on Linux, rest
>assured it is coming Real Soon Now. The GUI -- that too. Just keep lurking
>on Linux sites and buckle up.

Yeah, Im sweating like a pig. :-) 

Dennis

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