Blu3Viper wrote:
>
> This mail is not directly related to these lists, but is very important.
>
> ORBS is now blocking globally. In some cases they are blocking entire
> countries by way of that country's address space provider.
>
> ORBS is -damaging- email communication by killing the entire body rather
> than clipping the fingernail.
yes, off-topic, but I have to add to this.
I echo your concern : do NOT use ORBS. It is useless. It is paranoid.
and it is often just plain wrong. tell your admins that it is almost
certainly blocking more legitimate mail than it is blocking spam.
just this weekend I found that a site I work with was blocked by ORBS,
when someone wrote to the admin list. they said that they were getting
automatic messages saying 'you cannot receive mail from site X,
should see www.orbs.org for more info' or something to that
effect. the blocked site runs many, _many_ mailing lists.
I went to orbs.org and the way they make it sound, they do nothing
more
than supply lists of hosts which have been scanned as open relays. I
actually went and downloaded one of their massive 5meg+ lists (the
size
alone says something), grepped it, and lo and behold, the site in
question
was blocked, as of October 99. and I'm thinking, what the hell? there
is
not and hasn't been relaying allowed here at any time, of that I am
almost certain. and if there was, there definately isn't now (i
quickly
checked). yet the orbs page says that sites which make and stay on
their
public (30+ day offenders) lists are ones which simply 'will not
listen',
still haven't denied relaying, etc etc. bollocks. afaik admin at this
site was never even alerted to the fact that they had been blocked
in the first place, at least not by orbs anyhow.
I was sort of figuring, well hell, can't be too many admins out there
using this crap; it's too paranoid and inaccurate to be of any use if
this particular site, and a tonne of other legitimate sites, can end
up on it's blocking lists. however from your message I infer that it
is not as I assumed just used by a handful of daft admins; it may well
be seriously damaging email communications if this is not the case.
all I can say is it's garbage, don't use it, encourage the person
making those decisions in your network to not use it too. ANYONE whose
purpose is ostensibly to 'prevent spam' who reaches a point where
they blacklist people who block their netwide scans, do lame global
blocking etc, should be appropriately discredited and disregarded.
jd
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