Hmm, not sure about what Red Hat are trying to do. The reason I ditched 8.0 was that it felt like I was using something from MS. By that I mean that although it looks pretty at the front, there seems to be a distinct lack of stuff behind. It also felt a lot more like "This is our product, this is what you want to do with it" rather than "This is our product, how would you like it to work for you?" I'll probably get shot down for saying this without giving specific examples, but isn't it the case that a GUI is _all_ about look and feel. The look is good, but I really don't like the feel.
Don't get me wrong, 7.3 is by no means perfect. There are a number of things about it that give me problems (eg. X crashes every single time I switch away to a VT and back. This is apparently a drive problem with DRI graphics cards, and there is no fix). But at least I can make 7.3 work for the most part in the way I want it to. Putting all the Ximian stuff on top of it really makes a huge difference; Red Hat could pick up a lot of really helpful ideas from Ximian (mind you, they have their faults too). Ximian's Evolution mail client is superb, though; it wipes the floor with anything else on Linux. I guess it's time to look again at Debian and Mandrake (I haven't played with them for a couple of years...) Paul. On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 12:33, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: > On Wednesday 23 October 2002 16:31, Paul Krause wrote: > > 4 for and 1 against. You really slammed it. Can I inquire as to why you > > like suse? > > Sorry but being pro Suse was not the intended meaning. In fact that is the > very inverse of intent. > > For Suse > The best set of programs > Against Suse > The most screwed up configuration program possible. > As I said when I got my first Suse distribution back in the 5.3 days "It is a > very good European distribution - - - and it should stay in Europe." Major > point to this is I could not then configure ppp correctly. Well I acquired > Suse 8.1 and guess what I still can not configure the modem correctly. Also > it seems that they left kppp out and used some of their weird setup programs > again. > Another point setting up my scanner on Suse is so complicated that the whole > linux club gave up in total complete flustration. By comarsion settion it up > on RH is a 2 minute command line exercise if you know what you are doing; I > do not. > > For Mandrake 7 > I like it but the versions I had were 2 distributions behind times. I got them > free at our linux club to test. > It seems like a very nice distribution but at the time I thought RH was headed > in the right direction - that was when RH came out with 7.2. > It looks loke this is where I am heades unless RH strightens itself out. Since > none of the distributions bring anything major program improvements to the > part at this time this decision will probable be at least a year into the > future meaning after the 2.5 core, KDE 3.1 etc. > > Why do I trash RH 8.0 so much? > Well it is because of my expectations. > I expected 8.0 to simply correct the bad parts of RH 7.3 which I think is > approaching a very decent distribution. > I did not expect RH to go bonkers and trash KDE. > In general I like the KDE GUI on which I utilize what I feel is the best > selection of KDE and the Gnome programs. > > By correct I mean the following. > Correct the printer problems. When the printer works it it works great in B&W > but not color. It is a color HP Deskjet. But! If for some reason you have a > bad print file it will spit out reams of paper and is impossible to reset > from the GUI. You must go to command line and remember the correct commands. > > There is a major set up problems with my HP 6100 scanners. Not a clue what the > problem all I know is it is a scanner recognition problem. The scanner is an > HP 6100. RH says it is an HP 2464 or some such. > > There is setup problems with XCDRoast. I have this one working. > > As for the people who like RH I am willing to bet that they also like the > Gnome GUI. > > On this I am willing to make a guess that the real problem is the licensing > agreement KDE uses and the fact that American industry is so fed up with MS > and their licensing agreements that RH is removing all vestages of > commercialization from RH as fast as possible. That being said I find it > strange that RH used Mozelle which is 95% Netscape which is owned now by AOL. > I know about the change in licensing for Mozelle but there are probable a > number of court cases there if push comes to shove. What I suspect the > situation there is that the equivalent browser, email, et in Gnome are not up > to Mozelle level yet. If that is true then one should suspect that when they > are at that level Mozelle will depart. I note this in particular because > Netscape in my MS box has a nasty habit of reporting in to Net Central > Command (now part of AOL). Point is I utterly hate programs that utilizes > large amounts of band width to down load a bunch of commercial crap and which > one has the suspicion that is being used as a Trojan Horse to scan and report > which programs are legally on a computer. > > How does this interlate with RH 8.0? > Well I think it is all related by attitudes on licensing agreements and that > that attitude is what the real problem with RH 8.0 distribution really is. > > Thanks > Frank > -- Paul Furness Systems Manager 2+2=5 for extremely moderate values of 2. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
