Linux-Setup Digest #76, Volume #21 Thu, 19 Apr 01 22:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: DHCP and Road Runner blues (Bit Twister)
Re: lpr broken, instant error message ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: token ring & RH ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Sound on AC97-card (Dave Uhring)
Re: DHCP and Road Runner blues (Bit Twister)
Re: Linux clients can't ftp through linksys router (God_Of_Pain)
Re: Linux clients can't ftp through linksys router (God_Of_Pain)
Re: FTP problem with RH 6.2, 7.0 (God_Of_Pain)
Re: could not open default font 'fixed' (John Thompson)
Re: DVD (Peter Petersen)
Re: Sound on AC97-card (Peter Petersen)
Re: linuxes won't boot on HDDs! (Paul)
Linux Hanging on Formatting Swap Disk During Installation... ("Nik")
Hanging on Formatting Swap Disk ("NGZ")
Re: GA-7ZX Onboard Sound Problem (chronos)
How do I change Screen Resolution in Gnome or KDE ("John G")
Move Kernel Module (Scott Peshak)
RAID Problems ("Graham Stewart")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bit Twister)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,alt.linux.redhat,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: DHCP and Road Runner blues
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:10:33 GMT
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:04:27 GMT, grooveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello.
>
>I am running Redhat 6.2, and I am tying to use it with Mediaone (Now
>ATT) Road Runner service in the Detroit Metro area.
>
You could try
mkdir /etc/dhcpc
xedit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
add
DHCP_HOSTNAME="nic-c54-102"
and set
BOOTPROTO="dhcp"
ONBOOT="yes"
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart to try changes, results in
tail -100 /var/log/messages
--
The warranty and liability expired as you read this message.
If the above breaks your system, it's yours and you keep both pieces.
Practice safe computing. Backup the file before you change it.
Do a, man command_here or cat command_here, before using it.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lpr broken, instant error message
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:56:11 +0200
Mike Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone care to guess why lpr exits instantly with error message
> "Can't get official name for local machine" or something to that effect?
Presmably because neither /etc/hosts nor NIS nor BIND contains an entry
for your hostname.
> The error seems bogus, as hostname and uname both return the machine name.
> Could it be that I don't have TCP/IP installed (not sure if I do or not)?
Yep. That's it, if you don't. lpd needs tcp.
> Could it relate to missing module "char-major?"
char-major-WHAT?
> Long ago I fixed my /dev/lp1 to have write permission, so I can just cat files
> directly to the printer (an HP DeskJet 500, wonderful workhorse for PCL3). But
> this hack is denying me all those great filters in lpr. TIA, Mike K.
do filter < foo > /dev/lpr0 instead!
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: token ring & RH
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:53:29 +0200
Dr. Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am a newbie and I don't understand the FM at
> http://www.linuxtr.net/newhowto/Token-Ring-6.html#ss6.2
I haven't read it. Well, now I have. Thanks for the URL. I had version
4. You supplied version 6. One more for my collection.
> Linux people seem to write as if everyone is already an expert user. I
I don't think so. In my experience most people seem to write as though
they are idiots. So you can see how accurate my (and your)
generalizations are.
> think that sucks. I am trying to configure a pcmcia token ring card. That
I think that doesn't "suck", since it ain't so. I also think that
anyone who writes "that sucks" has had a lobotomy or is trying to piss
people off, or is trying to pretend to be a dumb american teenager with a
ponytail.
> Web site states to "edit /etc/sysconfig/network and
> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-tr0 by hand as would be appropriate."
> What the F does this mean? "As appropriate" for what? I simply have an
It means what it says. As appropriate for you of course. As in "fill in
the passport application form as appropriate".
> 8228, which is ultimately connected to a Cisco 2501. WHAT IS WORSE is that
Well, I suggest that you edit ifcfg-tr0 and fill it full of all the
releavant details about your network then! Are you really running a
redhat based distro, btw? Those are the only ones I know that use the
ifcfg-blah scripts. If you're running slackware you can go edit
something else! If you are running RH, then you should go to the
section of the Token Ring howto that deals with RH:
The RedHat distribution of Linux has a wonderful Xwindows control
panel for configuring modules and devices. If you have added a token
ring adapter to a standard RedHat installation, there should already
be token ring support compiled in as a module. Try too:
modprobe ibmtr .........
> when I issue the command 'find /| grep ifcfg-tr0' I do not show that I have
> this file.
Good. That proves that nobody has hacked your box then!
> Would someone please read the page at the aforementioned URL and see if you
> could give me some guidance?
How can we? You alone know what you want to put in there! I presume
it's like the other cfg files in that directory, except with different
values of NETWORK=, NETMASK=, and so on, as appropriate for your
network! The only killer is that I haven't the faintest idea what
token ring based network addresses and masks look like, so perhaps you
could tell me :-). Then I can tell you to write them in that file.
Where do token rings exist?
> FYI, Linux reports that my PCMCIA module starts correctly
Nice. So you DON'T have to fill out the ifcfg-tr0 form. Instead you'll
be editing the pcmcia network.opts file, I think! Look in /etc/pcmcia
for whatever you want done when the token ring card is insrted or
removed. Are there really supported pcmcia token ring cards? Oh wow.
Peter
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From: Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound on AC97-card
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:18:53 -0500
Alexander Martinez wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've just purchased a new motherboard with an on-board AC97-soundchip.
> Now I'm trying to figure out how I must setup my Linuxsystem (Debian 2.2
> potatoe i386).
>
> Following configuration:
> - 800 MHz
> - Elitegroup motherboard K7VZA-100 with VIA 82C686B chipset
> - linux 2.2.17
>
> I tried following soundmodules (in various combinations):
> - ac97_codec
> - sb
> - sound
> - soundlow
> - soundcore
>
> I also tried this one:
> - via82cxxx
>
> but when I load that module, the following happens:
> /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/via82cxxx.o: init_module: Device or resource busy
> Hint: this error can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including
> invalid IO or IRQ parameters
> /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/via82cxxx.o: insmod
> /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/via82cxxx.o failed
> /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/via82cxxx.o: insmod via82cxxx failed
>
> the BIOS has an option to modify IRQ and IO-adresses, but I tried all
> possible settings, the problem persists.
>
> I hope that is enough information for someone who knows the solution.
>
> Please help, I don't want to install Windoze just to play Quake3 with
> sound! (am I a lamer, or what?)
>
> Greetings
> Alex
>
>
Get the alsa drivers and library. They build easily from source if you
can't find the proper binaries. At boot time in whatever Debian uses as
rc.local, insert the following:
modprobe snd-card-via686a
modprobe snd-pcm-oss
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bit Twister)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,alt.linux.redhat,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: DHCP and Road Runner blues
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:26:20 GMT
Did you
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:04:27 GMT, grooveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I modified ifup and ifdown, basically by replacing the pump commands
>with their dhcpcd equivalents. Then, I wrote a script that loops the
>ifup until it gets a lease. I put the script at the end of rc.local,
>rather than having eth0 come up at init level 3. The net result is that
>it runs through everything fine, and at the very last stage, tries to
>bring up eth0 until it is successful. It take about 10 times plus or
>minus.
>
At the command line can you do
/sbin/dhcpcd -h "nic-c54-102" eth0
and does
ls -al /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
show the time you did the dhcpcd command or does it time out?
if you are truly getting 1 in 10 their server is flaky.
post your dhcpcd code you put in rc.local
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From: God_Of_Pain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux clients can't ftp through linksys router
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:40:18 GMT
Craig Kelley wrote:
> Does `ipchains -L input` report any firewall rules that we're not
> seeing?
Should I be running a firewall on the Red Hat 7.0 server? I don't know why
I would be running ipchains.
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From: God_Of_Pain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux clients can't ftp through linksys router
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.admin
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:47:59 GMT
Jesper K. Pedersen emailed me and said try typing - "passive", after
reading every thing about this problem I assumed Jesper thought that
passive was off. Linux ftp uses passive on as default for security reasons.
I tried it, it turned passive off, that worked.
New problem, if passive is on by default for security reasons what computer
is now insecure, the server or the client? It had better be the client! How
much of a security risk is this?
gftp gives the option of tunning passive on or off, but when using it off
it does not seem to actualy turn it off, is there a work arround for that.
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From: God_Of_Pain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FTP problem with RH 6.2, 7.0
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:57:11 GMT
For all connections made by an external IP like some where on the Internet
you need settings for your DNS1 and DNS2. For connections made by internal
IP's on your LAN you need one of your DNS's to be in your LAN with an
entery for each system on the LAN or you need an entery in /etc/hosts for
all LAN systems with IP's.
This is because when ever some one tries to start a connection to a Linux
system the Linux system tries to find out who this person is. It will try
to do reverse DNS lookup on thier IP, if you do not have your system setup
this way the lag is caused by Linux timming out on the dns look up.
bill wrote:
> Hi...
>
> forgive the "newbie-ish" of this question.
>
> After upgrading our bandwidth, we decided to try and hop into the 20th
> (yes 20th) century by implementing our FTP server so clients and partners
> can ftp directly to us, rather than sneakernet.
>
>
> RedHat install went fine, both on 6.2 and 7.0
>
> user accounts were created...
>
> there is a problem once connected to the ftp server. it's the ftp server
> included with RedHat wuftpd
>
> users can connect to port 21, but it takes a LONG time to finally log into
> their home directory. By long, I mean up to two minutes on occasion.
>
> when I log onto other FTP sites, the most I'm seeing is about 10-15
> seconds top before the system lets me in.
>
> this happens to all accounts,
>
> thinking it was a latency problem, or packet loss, I attempted to log in
> and ftp from within our lan, same problems on a little-used 100meg lan.
>
> traceroutes and pings to our machines also show no packet loss or latency.
>
> once in, also changing directories causes some major lag time in response.
>
> I adjusted the nice level to -10, no discernable difference.
>
> I'm assuming that there is a setting somewhere that might need to be
> tweaked.
>
>
>
> Since I'm somewhat of a newbie, let me know what other information I can
> provide to the group, so that a more reliable diagnosis can be made.
> BTW, maybe also where to find the info, newbie, remember!
>
> thank you very much
>
> Bill
>
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: could not open default font 'fixed'
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:23:11 -0500
Jeff Peter wrote:
> I installed Mandrake 7.2 and have a RIVA TNT2 chipset. However, when X
> attempts to start I get the following error message...
>
> Could not init font path element UNIX/:-1, removing from list
> Could not open default font 'fixed'
>
> I then get booted out of X.
>
> Any thoughts? I thought it might be the display driver or the monitor
> settings however I have those set, and have even tried generic equivalents.
This is a problem with the font server (usually xfs). The quick
fix is to disable the font server and explicitly list your font
paths in XF86Config until you can figure out why the font server
isn't working.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Peter Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DVD
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:35:33 +0200
Thomas Tonino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>> Yes, there are players. xine and xmovie have both worked for me as
>> software-only players.
>
>I use Videolan (www.videolan.org) mostly, although on my system it has a
>problem with consuming more and more CPU as time progresses.
>
>It does work however and also has the CSS support in the standard
>distribution.
I support this.
vlc (videolan) is the best, in my experience. Plays whole movies (not
like xine individual vob files only), doesn't need any complicated
procedures to get css support etc.
What I miss with vlc is better support for keyboard shortcuts (fast
forward, rewind, stop, pause...), don't like to use the mouse
permanently. Moreover, gamma from inside vlc (although it is an
option) doesn't work (I have to use "xgamma" instead).
I also wanted to try oms/omi, but whatever I did, I couldn't compile
omi, so I gave up; vlc compiled without any errors, all in all, it is
my favourite.
Regards
Peter(sen)
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From: Peter Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound on AC97-card
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:43:25 +0200
Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>> I also tried this one:
>> - via82cxxx
>>
>> but when I load that module, the following happens:
>> /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/via82cxxx.o: init_module: Device or resource busy
>> Hint: this error can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including
>> invalid IO or IRQ parameters
>> /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/via82cxxx.o: insmod
>> /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/via82cxxx.o failed
>> /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/via82cxxx.o: insmod via82cxxx failed
>>
>> the BIOS has an option to modify IRQ and IO-adresses, but I tried all
>> possible settings, the problem persists.
>>
>> I hope that is enough information for someone who knows the solution.
>>
>> Please help, I don't want to install Windoze just to play Quake3 with
>> sound! (am I a lamer, or what?)
>>
>> Greetings
>> Alex
>>
>>
>
>Get the alsa drivers and library. They build easily from source if you
>can't find the proper binaries. At boot time in whatever Debian uses as
>rc.local, insert the following:
>
>modprobe snd-card-via686a
>modprobe snd-pcm-oss
Yes, go for the ALSA drivers, they work much better than the crappy
kernel drivers (though some people report some success with them, I
couldn't get more than some scratchy partially working sound with
them, for whatever I tried...).
As to quake3, I don't think you will get sound! Sorry, but if there is
no considerable difference between quake1-quakeworld-quake2-quake3 as
to that mmap problem, you won't get sound, since neither the kernel
drivers nor alsa nor opensound offers a solution!
For quakeworld I managed to get sound output via sdl thanks to
quakeforge (not the original quakeworld), the same is true for quake1
(using quakeforge and some hack for sdl sound output which is not
officially enabled).
With quake2 (and since there is no quakeforge/sdl) I don't get any
sound under linux.
So I don't think that you will get sound in quake3 under linux with
VIA AC97. If someone happens to have sound in quake2 or quake3 with
VIA AC97 in linux, please, let me know...
Regards
Peter
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From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: linuxes won't boot on HDDs!
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:01:04 -0700
Thanks! saved your reply. I've seen that warning on the WD, even
though both drives are only 1G. Will try what you've said...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've tried 2 separate (that is, on 2 different drives) installs of
> > Linux, from CDs, and the install on both looked good! But when I
> > try to BOOT from the drives I just installed from -- nothing!
> > On the debian I can boot with the floppy, and see the drive
>
> Well, since both the installation display the same problem, I think
> that the problem is in the partitioning of the disk (the damned
> 1024 cylinder problem).
> Check if the boot/root partition is BELOW the 1024 cyl. that is
> in the first 8 Gb of the disk.
> See also the LILO-HOWTO
>
> Davide
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From: "Nik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Hanging on Formatting Swap Disk During Installation...
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:30:37 -0700
Hi, All,
I have run into a weird situation. I used to have RedHat 7 on this
P-II computer with 64MB of RAM until one day when I was using Licq under
Gnome and the whole system hang.
After the reboot, of course, came "fsck" and everything started acting
up after that. The system would hang a few minutes of inactivity (no
apparent time interval though). It wouldn't hang as long as I keep typing
things away on the system. So I decided to reformat the box totally for a
clean re-installation.
Now the most bizarre things happen--the system simple hangs at the
point when reformatting for Linux swap space on /hda5. Tried different
partitioning sizes, but nothing seems to help with the situation.
I don't personally think there is any hardware issue, because I can
load up Windows98 on it and run a whole lot of Norton check on harddrive and
memory with nothing found...
Any input or similar experience shared will be highly appreciated and
TIA !!!
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From: "NGZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hanging on Formatting Swap Disk
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:24:22 -0700
Hi, All,
I have run into a weird situation. I used to have RedHat 7 on this
P-II computer with 64MB of RAM until one day when I was using Licq under
Gnome and the whole system hang.
After the reboot, of course, came "fsck" and everything started acting
up after that. The system would hang a few minutes of inactivity (no
apparent time interval though). It wouldn't hang as long as I keep typing
things away on the system. So I decided to reformat the box totally for a
clean re-installation.
Now the most bizarre things happen--the system simple hangs at the
point when reformatting for Linux swap space on /hda5. Tried different
partitioning sizes, but nothing seems to help with the situation.
I don't personally think there is any hardware issue, because I can
load up Windows98 on it and run a whole lot of Norton check on harddrive and
memory with nothing found...
Any input or similar experience shared will be highly appreciated and
TIA !!!
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From: chronos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: GA-7ZX Onboard Sound Problem
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:11:43 -0500
ET1Mac wrote:
>
> I'm using RH6.2 and have installed it on a GA-7ZX with a Duron 800.
>
> When configuring sound with sndconfig it autodetects Ensoniq:CT5880. But
> when it goes to play the sample sound the system locks up.
>
> /etc/conf.modules has the following inserted: alias sound-slot-0 es1371
>
> Reading other post with similar issues I changed it to the following: alias
> char-major-14 es1371 with no success.
>
> I even tried modprobe with different arguments; es1371, char-major-14
> es1371, es1370 just to see what will happen, but still no success.
>
> Is this a 6.2 issue, would upgrading fix it?
Think I may have been the author of at least one of the other posts on
this particular subject. ;-)
I've had enough trouble with it. I've got almost the same system, except
it's a 700 instead of an 800. I do know that sound is possible on the
system in Linux. I've been able to get excellent sound with the trial
OSS from ForeFront, and I built the latest ALSA system and installed it
today with a 2.2.19 kernel, and have excellent sound in all my systems
to include the KwinTV with my Hauppage bttv card.
The trick to getting it going with ALSA was to do everything seemingly
in contravention to what I've been told and taught lately about
compiling and linking /usr/src/linux to the new kernel, leaving all
modules out of the new kernel build, and only including sound support
and building alsa-driver-0.5.10b and configuring with the:
./configure --with-sequencer=yes --with-isapnp=yes --with-debug=full
You will wind up with the alsa driver for snd-card-ens1371 and the
following if you do all correctly, and sound will work on the damn
thing. ;-)
Module Size Used by
snd-pcm-oss 16432 0 (autoclean)
snd-pcm-plugin 14088 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss]
ppp 19980 2 (autoclean)
slhc 4324 1 (autoclean) [ppp]
bttv 33240 1
videodev 2400 3 [bttv]
tuner 1996 1
i2c 3264 2 [bttv tuner]
snd-mixer-oss 3924 1 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss]
snd-card-ens1371 1964 1 (autoclean)
snd-ens1371 9164 0 (autoclean) [snd-card-ens1371]
snd-pcm 28952 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss snd-pcm-plugin snd-ens1371]
snd-timer 7648 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm]
snd-rawmidi 9048 0 (autoclean) [snd-ens1371]
snd-seq-device 3404 0 (autoclean) [snd-rawmidi]
snd-ac97-codec 24000 0 (autoclean) [snd-ens1371]
snd-mixer 23088 0 (autoclean) [snd-mixer-oss snd-ens1371 snd-ac97-codec]
snd 34700 1 [snd-pcm-oss snd-pcm-plugin snd-mixer-oss snd-card-ens1371
snd-ens1371
snd-pcm snd-timer snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec snd-mixer]
nls_cp437 3676 4 (autoclean)
vfat 9412 2 (autoclean)
fat 30784 2 (autoclean) [vfat]
soundcore 2372 5 (autoclean) [snd]
Okay....Now back to trying to get some native Linux drivers to work. ;-)
Charlie
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From: "John G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do I change Screen Resolution in Gnome or KDE
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:26:44 +1000
Any help changing to 800x600 would be appreciated. Please be very specific
as I am a new user, running RH 7.0 on a HP E40 Netserver (Pentium pro
200MHz.
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Peshak)
Subject: Move Kernel Module
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:32:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can i compile a kernel module on one machine and then load it on
another machine?
Scott Peshak
Life would be easier if we could look at the source code.
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From: "Graham Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RAID Problems
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:34:49 +0100
I'm in a rush to get a development server up which is supposed to have two
IDE disks which are mirrored using raid1 (mainly we are on a tight budget
and using a couple of slightly-dodgey 4.3 gig disks we found).
Following the howto's we manage to succuesfully get the raid running except
that if we either disconnect one disk (or disable it in the bios) the system
wont boot. It simply displays "LI 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 ....".
Our partitioning scheme involves md0 the boot partition, md1 the root
parition and md2 the swap partition.
I'm at a loss to find out where the problem is but our lilo.conf files are
as follows:
/etc/lilo.conf.hda
# lilo.conf for primary master disk
default=LinuxRaid
disk=/dev/md1
bios=0x80
sectors=63
heads=15
cylinders=8912
partition=/dev/md0
start=63
boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
image=/boot/bzImage2218
root=/dev/md1
read-only
label=LinuxRaid
/etc/lilo.conf.hdc
# lilo.conf for secondary master disk
default=LinuxRaid
disk=/dev/md1
bios=0x80
sectors=63
heads=15
cylinders=8960
partition=/dev/md0
start=63
boot=/dev/hdc
image=/boot/bzImage2218
root=/dev/md1
read-only
label=LinuxRaid
We are running the 2.2.18RAID kernel with Lilo 21.7-3
Anyone got any ideas?
Graham
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