mea culpa, Matthew & Andrew are perfectly correct, I did not read the original 
post properly. My apologies for clogging the ariwaves. I'll shut up now.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:28, Andrew Tarr wrote:
> Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:07, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> > > On Saturday 10 April 2004 16:41, Andrew Tarr wrote:
> > > > su: Authentication Failure
> > > > Sorry.
> > >
> > > On ye olde Unix, and some Linux distributions, you have to be a member
> > > of the wheel group to be able to su. I'm now sure if this is current
> > > Debian policy, but it's worth a try.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that is the position on debian.
> >
> > well i was until i booted mepis (debian based) to check the position. it
> > does not contain a wheel group, and I can su to root.
> >
> > check it out anyway, mepis may have changed things.
>
> I have already tried adding that (as you would know if you read my
> post more carefully :] ). Doesn't help. Moreover, the line that does
> that is commented out in pam.d/su :
>
> # auth required pam_wheel.so group=wheel
>
> just for fun I uncommented this line
>
> #auth sufficient pam_wheel.so trust
>
> which claims it allows wheel members to su without a password.
> it still doesn't work, but there's  a different error message:
>
> su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.
>
> lovely. But at least I know changes to the pam.d files does
> something.
>
> FWIW,  I've never had difficulties with su'ing with debian before,
> and I've never had a wheel group.

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