On Thu, 13 May 2004 10:24:56 +1200 (NZST) Derek Smithies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, > > > This always winds me up ... and further confusion is caused by the fact > > that Americans describe the octothorpe # as a "pound" sign, whereas > > Brits call it a "hash mark", and reserve the word "pound" for the > > sterling currency symbol ... > > Calling the # a pound symbol is plain wrong, and that winds me up also. > Doing things wrong never stopped anyone. > For a interesting discussion on the octothorpe, see: > > http://www.sigtel.com/tel_tech_octothorpe.html > wow man that gets the trivia award so far this month ;-) > Derek. > ================================================================ > On Thu, 13 May 2004, Jim Cheetham wrote: > > > On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 03:17, Sascha Beaumont wrote: > > > > > Watch it time out connecting to security.debian.org.. (Limited internet > > > access at the moment remember) twice... three times. And its trying to > > > grab stable, I'm using unstable. Shouldn't all security updates make it > > > to unstable anyway? > > > > Nope - the security team only work on packages in stable. They avoid the > > high-churn of testing ans unstable. > > > > Sometimes the fix is in the unstable version, and the stable fix > > follows. Other times, there is only a vulnerability announce and the fix > > goes into stable, and is sent back to the program authors. > > > > I've noticed by following BugTraq that Debian are generally the first > > distro to announce fixed packages, usually by at least 24 hours. And I > > get the debian-security-announce messages about 12 hours before they are > > posted to BugTraq too ... > > > > This is a damn good reason for servers to live exclusively in 'stable', > > even to the extent of refusing recent packages. I do have a wrestle with > > my consience every time I want something that isn't in the stable tree, > > however. Occasionally I pluck it from backports.org, but I know that > > they don't have the quality of response to security issues that Debian > > themselves have ... > > > > [Some may remember my comments from a few months back about trusting the > > distro maintainers. Since then I've been managing about a dozen Debian > > boxen, and had absolutely no problem keeping up with everything. Except > > kernel upgrades, which were done very very carefully on remote machines. > > I'm confident with the Debian stable worldview.] > > > > > Software selection method, tasksel, aptitude, dselect or nothing. I > > > choose nothing. (We'll deal with this below, most people should just use > > > tasksel) > > > > For servers, use nothing at all. > > Then install less, (vim|emacs), sudo, screen, lsof and collect the > > fingerprint of your server ssh keys :-) > > > > > Login.... dammmit I want british english spelling, but US keyboard > > > layout. How on earth did this happen. My Shift-3 gives me a pound sign! > > > > This always winds me up ... and further confusion is caused by the fact > > that Americans describe the octothorpe # as a "pound" sign, whereas > > Brits call it a "hash mark", and reserve the word "pound" for the > > sterling currency symbol ... > > > > -jim > > > > > > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
