This will be my final post in this thread, as its glaringly apparent
that you have no clue what you're even talking about, much less,
doing.....

--- JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 07:23 PM 9/12/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> >Do let us know if you feel the same way once your entire network is
> >owned.
> 
> Oh, to be sure...
> 
> Apparently you are not familiar with OTP (One time passwords) and
> secure
> >keys.
> 
> True, but I don't see how what that has to do with firewalls.

Nothing, but you conveniently left out the part where you claimed that
you had no way of controlling SSH access since it comes from all/any
IPs.  This is how you control SSH access.

> >No, using a decent OS would have stopped code red.  Here's a
> newsflash:
> >Code red only affected M$ servers.
> 
> Have you ever heard of a firewall for Windows?

I'm not sure if you're asking that out of ignorance or sarcasm.  Either
way, its a rather poorly worded question that i have no intention of
answering.

> How stupid do you think
> I am?

Honestly?
 
> I presumed that all my readers are smart enough to know that I meant
> "would putting a firewall (Take, for example, BlackIce) on an
> unpatched Windows server have protected it from CodeRed"

Another newsflash:  This is a Linux mailing list.  I dont' give a rat's
ass about the fools trying to setup a firewall in windoze.

> >> full access to pop3 SMTP (incoming) HTTP FTP and SSH from
> everywhere.
> >
> >And you're tunneling all of the above through SSH correct?
> 
> Ever tried to tell your Outlook-Express-using clients to run connect
> via ssh?

Yes, its called SSL encryption.  Even M$ had the common sense to include
that feature.  Apparently you're no more familiar with M$ products than
you are Linux products.
 
> 
> Ever told the people who access your web site that they have to use a
> browser that connects to port 80 via ssh?

Name 1 web browser not capable of doing SSL encryption.  Please tell me
that you're not truly this ignorant.

> Have you ever told your biggest customer that you didn't appreciate
> their policy of using FTP because it passes passwords in plain text?

Anonymous FTP (which has no real password) or user/pass?  If you truly
cared about your biggerst customer then you'd require them to use scp
instead of FTP.  So not only are you endangering your own network,
you're endangering your biggest customer's network.  Somehow I doubt
that they'll remain your biggest customer for long once their network is
broken into via your own.

> 
> No, I didn't imagine you had...

When ignorance is as great as yours, i'm sure you have a rather active
imagination.

> 
> >No, using encryption will.
> 
> And we use encryption where possible.

Apparently not when you're not even aware of SSL encryption that comes
by default in every mainstream browser in existence.

> 
> >And they dont' get in if you know how to properly secure your
> network.
> 
> Which is why I'm 1. trying to learn and 2. working on it and 3. have
> already done alot of work on it.

If this is what you know after doing "alot of work on it", you have
several decades of work ahead of you.

> 
> 
> >So, we have to be nice to you, as you flaunt your ignorance with
> extreme
> >arrogance?
> 
> My previous post was not arrogant. Would you say also that your reply
> is not?

Please find a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word 'arrogant'.
 

> 
> >THen stop shooting off your mouth. 
> 
> Asking for opinions, while freely admitting you don't know everything,
> qualifies as shooting off your mouth?

You don't even know what you dont' know.  THat's about the lowest level
of ignorance imaginable.

> 
> > THe fact that you are responsible
> >for any corporate network is truly sickening.  Do your superiors know
> >that you are utterly unqualified for your position?
> 
> Yes, they do. Thanks.

Good to know.  I'll make a note to avoid your company's services at all
costs if they think your knowledge level is adequate for your job.



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