I am confused at this thread. Why are people strung so tight about it? Let's stop pissing on each other's opinions and be a little more rational. Each distro has its faults and each distro has their typos. Come on! Yes, Caldera has theirs as well. But this is rediculous. I can appreciate that we need to hold a high line on quality, but I have noticed more issues than I care to disclose in big distros like Mandrake, RH, Caldera, and SuSE caused by someone probably just not testing a particular portion of the OS or not documenting very well. Religiosity is not going to keep Linux rolling in the world, and has quite the opposite effect in Business. Devotion, love, RTFM, etc.... They are all important. Basis in fact and realizing that each distro hasn't completely arrived yet is an important part of the role we must each play if we want Linux to continue to gain momentum. No, obviously I'm not going to broadcast any and all issues I run into to the M$ geeks, but they! don't broadcast theirs to me either. The fact is neither Windows nor Linux has finished development yet and each have plenty of mistakes to fix while continuing to "innovate". But that's ok. I support all the developers, testers, advocates, and others who are sticking their back into making Linux/Unix better and more viable for both server and desktop. Yes, Desktop. I still have high hopes for Linux on the Desktop, yea tho there are those who would put a stop to it in order to focus on the server realm. My highest salutes go out to the KDE guys especially, but the OSS community in general.
On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:00:32 -0700 "Myles Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:01:05 -0800 > Vern W Heesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sunday 30 December 2001 03:22 pm, you wrote: > > > [ snips ] > > > > > > On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:10:46 -0800 Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote:> On Sunday 30 December 2001 01:48 pm, you wrote: > > > > > > > If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy > > > > > > > it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing > > > > > > > your software > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are. I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera > > > > > > distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros > > > > > > that had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, > > > > > > but I'm too picky to use them any more. > > > > > > > > > > I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely > > > > > shows how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more > > > > > and more companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's > > > > > pathetic. > > > > > > > > Typo's or no typo's, my greatest bitch with elx is that I had to > > > > go change permissions on quite a few items in order to use them > > > > as a user. This is not the first distro I've tried (nor probably > > > > the last) Most machines at this site run Caldera other than this > > > > one (my lab rat). I've not had to go through so many changes on > > > > the other machines as I had to on this one. I'm constantly looking > > > > for distro's that can be installed and "used" by wintendo converts > > > > and at first thought that elx would fill this requirement. But for > > > > now, I'll continue playing with it and see what the 1.0 release is > > > > like and hopefully they'll see that running primarily as root is > > > > really not an option. Can you imagine a wintendo convert running > > > > linux as root? Good grief, I shudder just thinking about it. JMHO > > > > and this to me is a BFD! > > > > > > "You pays you money, you takes you chances." > > > > > > In my case, I paid absolutely zip and got an extremely well-crafted > > > and functional product for the price of a few hours download and two > > > burnt CDs. I also got access to a professionally constructed web > > > site with a well grounded plan to encourage Windows users to migrate > > > to linux as well as an offer to help with that endeavor. I got a > > > desktop environment that will probably appeal to a lot of Windows > > > refugees. I got immediate response for my questions from the > > > developers. I got all-in-all fewer bugs than I ever did from > > > Mandrake and Caldera and SuSE and gentoo distros I've used in the > > > past. And just for a bonus, I got one #@!& typo in a pre-release > > > distro, and that fact has you anal types in an uproar. > > > > > > Now Ted has a slightly more rational complaint - ease of use for > > > device allocation which is one of the not-so-user-friendly areas of > > > a *nix system. Every distro is going to handle this differently. > > > Either you set permissions to permit anyone access to devices and > > > deal with the security ramifications, or you set exclusive > > > permissions and require use of root to alter those permissions as > > > required. I've had much grief on Caldera distros and others just > > > getting pppd functions to work. This is nothing new. > > > > > > Granted, no distro is going to recommend running as root other than > > > briefly to accomplish brief tasks, nor does elx do that, but every > > > new Linux user is going to need to learn how and how not to use the > > > power of root. > > > > > > I don't have any serial devices, Ted, so I can't comiserate. The > > > elx distro has been easier for me to install, manipulate, and tailor > > > than any I've used in the past. I would not hesitate to recommend > > > this one to a newbie. > > > > Us anal types? uncool, unnecessary.....and with that I'm done. > > Vern, i hope that's only with this thread... there is another > solution.... it's called a killfile. i'm about to use it right now... > collins --> PLONK > > have a nice day. > -- > Myles Green Calgary AB Canada > Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: > http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mylesg/ > -- > There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. > We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter CNI, CNE, CCNA, MCP, J2CP, WP [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-i-s.cc/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration & Support *Web Development and E-Business _______________________________________________ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
