but the best solution would be to find a way to scan the inner layers ...
grinding down, layer by layer ? how to achieve this ?
does someone have acess to a tomograph ? other proposals ?

sto



tof a écrit :
> Hello cory
> 
> this will not help much, most traces are in the inner layers.
> I suppose it's a 6 layer buildup...
> 
> but i have a 3G board, with some IC's removed, i can eventually try to 
> remove everything, and scan it...
> 
> sto
> 
> 
> 
> Cory Walker a écrit :
>> THis is good news! Also great that Dan Andrews can donate a 2G to you.
>> Would it be possible to scan the 2G board without the processor? I don't
>> know if there are any exposed traces, but It would still be nice to have
>> a picture to look at. If we could get a hold of a 3G, I think it would
>> be a good idea to scan the traces under it's processor. I know the RAM
>> bus is exposed on that one (just look at the pictures). We could see
>> which pins control the RAM.
>>
>> On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 22:49 +0900, tof wrote:
>>> Hello everybody
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> some fresh news from the pinout !!
>>>
>>> with some patience i identified a good number of the pins.
>>> http://f4eru.free.fr/8701/
>>>
>>> if we can finish this task, the (brute force) finding of the JTAG could 
>>> be very close !!
>>>
>>> seems there are around 30 new pins, due to the muxing of the NOR flash 
>>> and the RAM.
>>>
>>> This muxing is cool for us, coz we can emulate the flash + sdram with 
>>> less connections to the emulating fpga....
>>>
>>>
>>> a lot of pin patterns correspond exactly to the 8700 order!
>>>
>>> I also wonder of the 1.5V instead of 1.2V, and the "PWR C"(as i called 
>>> it, because i don't have the value)
>>>
>>> Also, the main XTAL is an active oscillator, strange for me, this 
>>> probably costs more than a naked crystal....
>>>
>>>
>>> also, as some pads are wiped off, on my board, it would be very very 
>>> helpfull to get another broken IN2G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sto
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tof a écrit :
>>>> Hello everybody.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did not have a lot of time in the last months, but now i'm back and 
>>>> alive ;)
>>>>
>>>> I made very interesting investigations onthe 8701.
>>>>
>>>> first results :
>>>>
>>>> http://l4n.clustur.com/index.php/Main_Page/S5L8701_analysis
>>>>
>>>> http://f4eru.free.fr/8701%20pinout.ods
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The bad news : the pinout seems to be very different than the 8701, 
>>>> there is a different clock system at least in the chip.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore it will be very hard to locate jtag pins, etc...
>>>>
>>>> What could be extrmely helpful would be to have decapsulated chips to 
>>>> view under the microscope.
>>>> Does somebody here have an opportunity to acess decap. equipment? or at 
>>>> least a contact where we could do this cheaply ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More to come soon
>>>>
>>>> Sto
>>>>
>>>>
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