On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 08:32:32PM -0700, Cori's Groups wrote:
> Sorry I am talking about Inotekk Virtual box there is no way Namo works under
> wine or crossoffice. in a virtual environment, it is my understanding that
> the Host ( linux) would have no real affect, being install in windows? But am
> not techy that way?
>
Actually, your subject line did say speaking of vbox, but perhaps that's
just one familiar to those of us who know and love it.
As for the Linux installation affecting it--I really don't know. I have
two Fedora installs, one the standard Fedora 8 and one of the Alpha
Fedora 9. Virtual Box works in both. HOWEVER--in the alpha
installation, although everything seems to work, I can't use the
Checkpoint VPN client--for whatever reason, it tells me my password is
no good. (I tried often enough to be sure it wasn't a typo.) In the
Fedora 8 installation, it works. The rpm wouldn't install in Fedora 9,
looking for an outdated library, so on Fedora 9 I installed from source.
It's conceivable that that is the problem. I don't think it is, because
on another, ArchLinux installation, where I also installed from source,
it works without problem.
>
> /<<There are several WYSIWYG web editors for Linux. Try Amaya, Nvu or
> KompoZer. You can also use Mozilla composer or Quanta Plus. Screem and
> Bluefish are also good if you can write your own code.>>
>
> /Again Sorry , I have attempted to use and test all of those and in a
> professional environment, they are no good for me being either 1) Code only,
> 2) unable to edit php files, or missing a few important tools and a host of
> other issues.... trust me, I would be the happiest person on the earth if I
> could find an equal to Namo, In fact spending hours, days and more ///etc,
> googling, testing and more... There was an IBM program that was dying to try
> but it has vanished off the face of the earth
>
This is a thing. In certain professional environments, unfortunately,
only the MS or possibly Mac app will do the job. There are a variety of
reasons. I do know of one professional graphics person who says that he
can do everything with the gimp, rather than photoshop, but he is a
minority--probably a minority of one.
I have a friend in the biosciences who is constantly having to explain
on the BSD forums that no, Adobe reader in BSD (or Linux) simply doesn't
work properly on some things. Also, on other things, OpenOffice simply
doesn't do the job. He makes some highly technical docs, and for
certain things, he needs Windows apps. It's unfortunate, and one can
rail about Adobe being doodie heads, which they are, but if he wants to
earn his living, he has to, at times, make use of the commercial
applications.
Conversely, in many situations, one *can* use Linx. Actually, if we used
a Cisco VPN rather than Checkpoint, I could--well, I could at home
anyway--at work, there are one or two apps that I use that only run in
MS, as well as the need to support the users running other apps that I
don't actually use. Actually, none of the ones I use are horribly
resource intensive, so I'm able to do just about everything in
VirtualBox. However, Adobe products, for example, tend to be resource
hogs, and I think you'd need an extremely powerful machine to use
Photoshop or Illustrator in a VM. One can't legally try with Mac,
because they're more megalomanical than MS, they just have a smaller
user base.
I hope to post on the namo forum and see if there is something I can figure
out. I can leave it running in vb for hours no problem.... make a few clicks
and bang freeze....so could be a resource issue hard to say
>
Might be some sort of memory leak, whether of namo or VB, it's hard to
say. I have found that if I leave VB running all the time, it starts to
slow my machine down. You might even try posting in the VirtualBox
forums to see if anyone has some knowledge of this one program.
> Too bad that any software people, would not set up to the plate and make a
> program that could make a go of it, like dreamweaver or namo... I would
> spend my $$ on it in a heartbeat and be happy for it!
Yes, so would many people. Some of the manufacturers of hardware, at
least, are beginning to realize that there is a viable market. At this
point in time, unfortunately, it's still too small by their standards
though.
I have alot of other designer assoc. who are surprised that am trying to make a
go of it under linux, due to the lack of software options.... keep in mind am
talking about designers, not necessary coders, but each designer has their
comfort level, or even any computer user.
>
You might even inspire some of them. Some years ago, Piers Anthony, the
well-known and best selling science fiction and fantasy writer decided
that he disliked MS enough to switch to Linux. It took him a few books
to successfully do it. He now sends his publishers his manuscripts in
OpenOffice odt format. Of course, he's a best seller, so he can get
away with it. Most authors would be told by their publishers, send it
in word.
The trouble too, is that often one is at the mercy of their customer
base. For example, there was some proprietary thing that only worked in
Internet Explorer that my old company's large customer used. We
couldn't say to them, use something else. Well, we could, but in that
industry (the garment industry) there would be thirty other companies
dying to get the business they were giving us. Now, if *they* had said
to us, no more .doc format, we only want opensource, we would have done
that--but that's not going to happen, at least for awhile.
> But happily after giving it many goes over the years//// I have been in
> Ubuntu linux for almost 2 months YEAH , of heavy html editing, and graphic
> design... nothing has made me happier to loss the widoz,, still learning .
> Spending less time dual booting!!
>
I do wonder though, going back up a few paragraphs, (and your question
about could it be the Linux distro you're using0 if you are using Hardy
Heron, and if that could be a factor. Hardy is still very much alpha,
not even beta yet (I don't think--I don't follow Ubuntu that closely.)
> But to any software people who might be listening.... there is a market,
> <waving hands > I would spend money on the right products to do my work!
>
> Thanks for helping me!!!!!!
> Cori
>
Let 'em know. Let the laptop manufacturer that you don't buy from,
because you've read that their wireless card takes more effort to get
working with Linux than their competitor's does, that you didn't buy
from them because of that. It never hurts. It often gets ignored, but
the more people do it, the better the chance that someone in power, with
an open mind, will listen.
>
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