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----- Original Message ---- From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:11:07 PM Subject: Re: [LINUX_Newbies] speaking of Vbox. On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 08:32:32PM -0700, Cori's Groups wrote: > Sorry I am talking about Inotekk Virtual box there is no way Namo works under > wine or crossoffice. in a virtual environment, it is my understanding that > the Host ( linux) would have no real affect, being install in windows? But am > not techy that way? > Actually, your subject line did say speaking of vbox, but perhaps that's just one familiar to those of us who know and love it. As for the Linux installation affecting it--I really don't know. I have two Fedora installs, one the standard Fedora 8 and one of the Alpha Fedora 9. Virtual Box works in both. HOWEVER--in the alpha installation, although everything seems to work, I can't use the Checkpoint VPN client--for whatever reason, it tells me my password is no good. (I tried often enough to be sure it wasn't a typo.) In the Fedora 8 installation, it works. The rpm wouldn't install in Fedora 9, looking for an outdated library, so on Fedora 9 I installed from source. It's conceivable that that is the problem. I don't think it is, because on another, ArchLinux installation, where I also installed from source, it works without problem. > > /<<There are several WYSIWYG web editors for Linux. Try Amaya, Nvu or > KompoZer. You can also use Mozilla composer or Quanta Plus. Screem and > Bluefish are also good if you can write your own code.>> > > /Again Sorry , I have attempted to use and test all of those and in a > professional environment, they are no good for me being either 1) Code only, > 2) unable to edit php files, or missing a few important tools and a host of > other issues.... trust me, I would be the happiest person on the earth if I > could find an equal to Namo, In fact spending hours, days and more ///etc, > googling, testing and more... There was an IBM program that was dying to try > but it has vanished off the face of the earth > This is a thing. In certain professional environments, unfortunately, only the MS or possibly Mac app will do the job. There are a variety of reasons. I do know of one professional graphics person who says that he can do everything with the gimp, rather than photoshop, but he is a minority--probably a minority of one. I have a friend in the biosciences who is constantly having to explain on the BSD forums that no, Adobe reader in BSD (or Linux) simply doesn't work properly on some things. Also, on other things, OpenOffice simply doesn't do the job. He makes some highly technical docs, and for certain things, he needs Windows apps. It's unfortunate, and one can rail about Adobe being doodie heads, which they are, but if he wants to earn his living, he has to, at times, make use of the commercial applications. Conversely, in many situations, one *can* use Linx. Actually, if we used a Cisco VPN rather than Checkpoint, I could--well, I could at home anyway--at work, there are one or two apps that I use that only run in MS, as well as the need to support the users running other apps that I don't actually use. Actually, none of the ones I use are horribly resource intensive, so I'm able to do just about everything in VirtualBox. However, Adobe products, for example, tend to be resource hogs, and I think you'd need an extremely powerful machine to use Photoshop or Illustrator in a VM. One can't legally try with Mac, because they're more megalomanical than MS, they just have a smaller user base. I hope to post on the namo forum and see if there is something I can figure out. I can leave it running in vb for hours no problem.... make a few clicks and bang freeze....so could be a resource issue hard to say > Might be some sort of memory leak, whether of namo or VB, it's hard to say. I have found that if I leave VB running all the time, it starts to slow my machine down. You might even try posting in the VirtualBox forums to see if anyone has some knowledge of this one program. > Too bad that any software people, would not set up to the plate and make a > program that could make a go of it, like dreamweaver or namo... I would > spend my $$ on it in a heartbeat and be happy for it! Yes, so would many people. Some of the manufacturers of hardware, at least, are beginning to realize that there is a viable market. At this point in time, unfortunately, it's still too small by their standards though. I have alot of other designer assoc. who are surprised that am trying to make a go of it under linux, due to the lack of software options.... keep in mind am talking about designers, not necessary coders, but each designer has their comfort level, or even any computer user. > You might even inspire some of them. Some years ago, Piers Anthony, the well-known and best selling science fiction and fantasy writer decided that he disliked MS enough to switch to Linux. It took him a few books to successfully do it. He now sends his publishers his manuscripts in OpenOffice odt format. Of course, he's a best seller, so he can get away with it. Most authors would be told by their publishers, send it in word. The trouble too, is that often one is at the mercy of their customer base. For example, there was some proprietary thing that only worked in Internet Explorer that my old company's large customer used. We couldn't say to them, use something else. Well, we could, but in that industry (the garment industry) there would be thirty other companies dying to get the business they were giving us. Now, if *they* had said to us, no more .doc format, we only want opensource, we would have done that--but that's not going to happen, at least for awhile. > But happily after giving it many goes over the years//// I have been in > Ubuntu linux for almost 2 months YEAH , of heavy html editing, and graphic > design... nothing has made me happier to loss the widoz,, still learning . > Spending less time dual booting!! > I do wonder though, going back up a few paragraphs, (and your question about could it be the Linux distro you're using0 if you are using Hardy Heron, and if that could be a factor. Hardy is still very much alpha, not even beta yet (I don't think--I don't follow Ubuntu that closely.) > But to any software people who might be listening... . there is a market, > <waving hands > I would spend money on the right products to do my work! > > Thanks for helping me!!!!!! > Cori > Let 'em know. Let the laptop manufacturer that you don't buy from, because you've read that their wireless card takes more effort to get working with Linux than their competitor's does, that you didn't buy from them because of that. It never hurts. It often gets ignored, but the more people do it, the better the chance that someone in power, with an open mind, will listen. > -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: I can't believe you got into Oxford! Willow: It's pretty exciting. Oz: That's some deep academia there. Buffy: That's where they make Gileses! Willow: I know! I can learn, and have scones! I have deleted the original post. I would like to know what the VM host OS is (Ubuntu, Debian, PCLOS, etc.), how much RAM is on the system, how much RAM has been allocated to the VM, what kind of video card is on the system, does the computer have one processor or two, do other programs run properly in VirtualBox, are the Virtual Box tools installed, etc. In other words is too much being expected of the hardware? If Namo is a graphics intensive program being WYSIWYG then it may take too much video RAM, RAM or both. Virtual Box runs fine on my computer. I can run Photoshop for example and edit 10 MB photos. However I have set it up to run with 512 MB of RAM just for Virtual Box. I have a 512 MB 3D video card. But only one processor. Virtual Box is capable of running at near native speed, provided it is set up properly. That means that you need to set it up with sufficient RAM and on a good size virtual drive. Also it improves performance if you pre-allocate the drive space instead of have it expand as you go. 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