On Friday 13 October 2006 10:39, Rony wrote:

>
> I have later clarified in the next posts on the same thread...."My
> query was not related to an install how-to but to know what
> hardware is being used by the experts for their business. While
> everyone is giving details of their own hardware, what I would like
> to know is the motherboards used for customers' workstations. The
> reason is that for self owned hardware, a lot of time is available
> to experiment and it is purchased only once. There are many big
> players on this list, who install 50, 100 or more systems at a
> stretch in big companies and the hardware used will have to be one

And these wont do (prices, need to run doze, games, 3d accl) for an 
average user.

> that requires minimum setup time. 

FAI, dd, cp. U think there are 25 guys installing manually on 100 
machines or what. U plug in 23 of em on a 24 port switch and do FAI. 
Many a times  dont do that either. Just install on one server en of 
story.

> It is this hardware detail that I 
> am looking for, from the last six months. I would highly appreciate
> if the big players can provide these details, at least for 5 latest
> mobos used for their clients. "

What 5 "latest" motherboards are u talking of. The latest and greatest 
mobos are AMD opteron and friends TYAN, Iwill, asus all work within 
the limitations stated above.


> How does this statement involve you to upset you? "Except for
> Devdas who is not a follower of GNU, no other supporter of
> 'freedom' , 'open source', 'gnu' and 'gpl' gave any details of the
> motherboards they used for their clients.

I did. Right now i am installing about 350 machines. No mucking around 
individual installs. The mobos are via cle266 and Opteron servers.

> > I personally feel that FOSS or GNU or GPL whatever you call it,
> > will not survive in the retail sector.

Ya wait until u become an also ran. Or take it as an opportunity.

> Like? ( In retail sales volume please ).

Your retail volume is always 1 to 4 even if u are selling 200 a month. 
and the overhead is almost the same for 1 or fifty.

> >> The whole issue is about giving the foss
> >> retail programmer his commercial due for writing the retail foss
> >> code that benefits all of us. It started with a comment on how a
> >> foss creator will make money.

Repeat 10 times : i will create a good business plan.

>
> In the retail software segment? Having his own company? I already
> asked the question to this list and I got the information I wanted.

You mean packaged software. Read my earlier mails. Branding not locks.
If you mean small time individual programmer burning the night oil to 
create some master piece, all of the above applies even more. Closing 
his package will not protect him against piracy but will force him to 
toil ever harder trying to keep abreast of the quantum jumps in this 
industry.

>
> > But on second thought probably you are right. Making obscene
> > money is not the sole primary motive for many Free Software
> > developers. It is all about building a better society as I
> > understand it. Be careful, people supporting Open Source might
> > not have this view. So if you are motivated only by money and  do
> > not know how to do it with FOSS then asking around how to do it
> > will be of little help.

Rony is trying hard to understand the pitfalls and business model ;-)
No problems at all.

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JTD

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