Hi Dennis,

First, my setup description was wrong, so please let me update it:

Master <--> Slave (with embedded KSZ switch)

   - Master is using HW timestamps.
   - Slave has an embedded ptp switch (KSZ9477) which provides the Slave
   device HW timestamps.

Now, as for the output:

ptp4l[13912.339]: selected /dev/ptp1 as PTP clock
ptp4l[13912.341]: port 1: INITIALIZING to LISTENING on INIT_COMPLETE
ptp4l[13912.342]: port 0: INITIALIZING to LISTENING on INIT_COMPLETE
ptp4l[13912.344]:   version=2 ports=3
ptp4l[13912.344]:   access_delay=63000
ptp4l[13912.344]:   UTC offset: 37
ptp4l[13912.345]: port 1: link up
ptp4l[13915.030]: port 1: new foreign master f44d30.fffe.63e12b-1
ptp4l[13919.030]: selected best master clock f44d30.fffe.63e12b
ptp4l[13919.030]: port 1: LISTENING to UNCALIBRATED on RS_SLAVE
ptp4l[13919.905]: port 1: UNCALIBRATED to SLAVE on MASTER_CLOCK_SELECTED
ptp4l[13935.281]: rms 2076 max 8052 freq -17397 +/- 2087 delay  7989 +/- 138
ptp4l[13951.283]: rms   54 max  162 freq -16924 +/-  59 delay  7474 +/-  21
ptp4l[13967.285]: rms   14 max   48 freq -16947 +/-   9 delay  7455 +/-   5
ptp4l[13983.287]: rms   11 max   30 freq -16948 +/-   7 delay  7452 +/-   5
ptp4l[13999.289]: rms   11 max   28 freq -16952 +/-  10 delay  7438 +/-   7
ptp4l[14015.290]: rms   68 max  136 freq -16883 +/-  67 delay  7434 +/-   7
ptp4l[14031.292]: rms   75 max  159 freq -16911 +/-  80 delay  7453 +/-   3
ptp4l[14047.294]: rms   46 max  116 freq -16940 +/-  47 delay  7449 +/-   3
ptp4l[14063.295]: rms   39 max  106 freq -16940 +/-  41 delay  7453 +/-   3
ptp4l[14079.297]: rms   36 max  105 freq -16935 +/-  40 delay  7455 +/-   1
ptp4l[14095.299]: rms   37 max   94 freq -16934 +/-  41 delay  7449 +/-   4
ptp4l[14111.301]: rms   84 max  160 freq -16894 +/- 102 delay  7446 +/-   1
ptp4l[14127.303]: rms   60 max  119 freq -16888 +/-  74 delay  7446 +/-   1
ptp4l[14143.305]: rms   40 max  102 freq -16858 +/-  37 delay  7447 +/-   4
ptp4l[14159.307]: rms   54 max  141 freq -16864 +/-  73 delay  7454 +/-   4
ptp4l[14175.309]: rms   28 max   73 freq -16849 +/-  23 delay  7457 +/-   4
ptp4l[14191.310]: rms   16 max   46 freq -16849 +/-  16 delay  7456 +/-   3
ptp4l[14207.312]: rms   10 max   24 freq -16841 +/-   8 delay  7449 +/-   4
ptp4l[14223.314]: rms   26 max   93 freq -16857 +/-  31 delay  7439 +/-   2
ptp4l[14239.316]: rms   70 max  141 freq -16917 +/-  79 delay  7443 +/-   4
ptp4l[14255.318]: rms   52 max  158 freq -16888 +/-  71 delay  7452 +/-   6
ptp4l[14271.320]: rms   73 max  152 freq -16863 +/-  70 delay  7446 +/-   5
ptp4l[14287.321]: rms   47 max  114 freq -16861 +/-  55 delay  7456 +/-   1
ptp4l[14303.323]: rms   38 max  111 freq -16862 +/-  41 delay  7460 +/-   3
ptp4l[14319.325]: rms   31 max   93 freq -16864 +/-  34 delay  7463 +/-   3
ptp4l[14335.327]: rms   61 max  121 freq -16878 +/-  60 delay  7449 +/-   4

*---------------------- Till here, no traffic, only ptp messages
------------------------- *
*---------------------------------- Here I start the traffic
--------------------------------- *
ptp4l[14368.081]: rms   63 max  128 freq -16922 +/-  73 delay  7437 +/-   0
ptp4l[14384.084]: rms   19 max   58 freq -16911 +/-  16
ptp4l[14400.087]: rms   10 max   26 freq -16958 +/-  14 delay  7437 +/-   0
ptp4l[14416.089]: rms   11 max   28 freq -16997 +/-  12 delay  7437 +/-   0
ptp4l[14432.092]: rms   11 max   24 freq -17030 +/-  10
ptp4l[14448.094]: rms   11 max   26 freq -17062 +/-  11
ptp4l[14464.097]: rms   10 max   24 freq -17089 +/-  10
ptp4l[14480.099]: rms   11 max   28 freq -17105 +/-   7 delay  7437 +/-   0
ptp4l[14496.102]: rms   11 max   24 freq -17123 +/-   8
ptp4l[14512.104]: rms   28 max   67 freq -17112 +/-  29 delay  7437 +/-   0
ptp4l[14528.106]: rms   17 max   61 freq -17121 +/-  16 delay  7434 +/-   1
ptp4l[14544.111]: rms   37 max   80 freq -17085 +/-  38 delay  7435 +/-   0
ptp4l[14560.112]: rms   26 max   66 freq -17055 +/-  27 delay  7433 +/-   0
ptp4l[14576.115]: rms   11 max   32 freq -17043 +/-   9
ptp4l[14592.116]: rms   10 max   25 freq -17035 +/-   7 delay  7433 +/-   0
ptp4l[14608.119]: rms   10 max   21 freq -17029 +/-   6
ptp4l[14624.122]: rms   12 max   31 freq -17031 +/-   8 delay  7433 +/-   0
ptp4l[14640.127]: rms   10 max   22 freq -17023 +/-   9
ptp4l[14656.127]: rms   10 max   23 freq -17015 +/-   7 delay  7433 +/-   0
ptp4l[14672.130]: rms   20 max   76 freq -17026 +/-  17 delay  7428 +/-   0
ptp4l[14688.132]: rms   49 max  119 freq -17019 +/-  51 delay  7433 +/-   0
ptp4l[14704.135]: rms   54 max  137 freq -16944 +/-  69
ptp4l[14720.137]: rms   37 max  104 freq -16925 +/-  39 delay  7435 +/-   0
ptp4l[14736.140]: rms   10 max   23 freq -16911 +/-   7 delay  7435 +/-   0
ptp4l[14752.143]: rms   10 max   21 freq -16896 +/-  10
ptp4l[14768.148]: rms   11 max   26 freq -16885 +/-   7 delay  7430 +/-   2
ptp4l[14784.148]: rms   11 max   26 freq -16893 +/-   8 delay  7428 +/-   0
ptp4l[14800.150]: rms   10 max   30 freq -16883 +/-   9 delay  7428 +/-   0
ptp4l[14816.152]: rms   10 max   26 freq -16870 +/-   7 delay  7419 +/-   0
ptp4l[14832.155]: rms   10 max   21 freq -16864 +/-   6 delay  7419 +/-   0
ptp4l[14848.157]: rms   10 max   24 freq -16859 +/-   7
ptp4l[14864.159]: rms   10 max   22 freq -16849 +/-  10 delay  7419 +/-   0
ptp4l[14880.163]: rms   11 max   27 freq -16838 +/-   8 delay  7413 +/-   0
ptp4l[14896.167]: rms   11 max   26 freq -16839 +/-   8 delay  7419 +/-   0
ptp4l[14912.167]: rms   11 max   28 freq -16845 +/-   8
ptp4l[14928.171]: rms   10 max   29 freq -16847 +/-   6
ptp4l[14944.172]: rms   11 max   25 freq -16846 +/-   7
ptp4l[14960.175]: rms   10 max   24 freq -16847 +/-   6
ptp4l[14976.176]: rms   10 max   27 freq -16851 +/-   7
ptp4l[14992.179]: rms   19 max   64 freq -16855 +/-  18 delay  7357 +/-   0
ptp4l[15008.182]: rms   27 max   88 freq -16847 +/-  28 delay  7357 +/-   0
ptp4l[15024.191]: rms   13 max   42 freq -16852 +/-  10
ptp4l[15040.188]: rms   11 max   23 freq -16847 +/-   7 delay  7357 +/-   0
ptp4l[15056.192]: rms   10 max   27 freq -16845 +/-   7 delay  7357 +/-   0

*ptp4l[15072.192]: rms   10 max   26 freq -16832 +/-   7*

*---------------------------------- Here the delay is getting smaller
somehow --------------------------------- *
*ptp4l[15088.195]: rms  628 max 2478 freq -16660 +/- 630 delay  4879 +/-
0*
ptp4l[15104.198]: rms   44 max  162 freq -16834 +/-  40 delay  4879 +/-   0
ptp4l[15120.200]: rms   11 max   23 freq -16827 +/-   7
ptp4l[15136.203]: rms   44 max  167 freq -16812 +/-  44 delay  4790 +/-  89
ptp4l[15152.207]: rms  121 max  470 freq -16785 +/- 120 delay  4231 +/-   0
ptp4l[15168.208]: rms   12 max   30 freq -16821 +/-   8 delay  4231 +/-   0
ptp4l[15184.214]: rms   10 max   25 freq -16825 +/-   6
ptp4l[15200.215]: rms   10 max   22 freq -16825 +/-   6
ptp4l[15216.215]: rms   11 max   26 freq -16829 +/-   6
ptp4l[15232.217]: rms   11 max   26 freq -16832 +/-   8 delay  4231 +/-   0
ptp4l[15248.220]: rms  175 max  945 freq -16744 +/- 201 delay  3299 +/-   0
ptp4l[15264.223]: rms  643 max 2521 freq -16663 +/- 631 delay  2060 +/- 1238
ptp4l[15280.227]: rms  159 max  455 freq -16836 +/- 169
ptp4l[15296.227]: rms   46 max  113 freq -16812 +/-  52
ptp4l[15312.231]: rms   30 max  106 freq -16816 +/-  36 delay   822 +/-   0
ptp4l[15328.232]: rms   56 max  132 freq -16799 +/-  66 delay   822 +/-   0
ptp4l[15344.235]: rms   59 max  135 freq -16808 +/-  63
ptp4l[15360.237]: rms   13 max   56 freq -16823 +/-  10 delay   821 +/-   0
ptp4l[15376.240]: rms   38 max  104 freq -16818 +/-  41
ptp4l[15392.243]: rms   46 max  113 freq -16814 +/-  50 delay   821 +/-   0
ptp4l[15408.246]: rms   10 max   21 freq -16825 +/-   6
ptp4l[15424.247]: rms   58 max  146 freq -16810 +/-  69
ptp4l[15440.250]: rms   15 max   45 freq -16829 +/-  12
ptp4l[15456.252]: rms   37 max  118 freq -16791 +/-  69 delay   821 +/-   0
ptp4l[15472.255]: rms   62 max  151 freq -16754 +/-  65 delay   821 +/-   0
ptp4l[15488.257]: rms   47 max  102 freq -16754 +/-  67 delay   821 +/-   0
ptp4l[15504.259]: rms   23 max   54 freq -16722 +/-  22 delay   821 +/-   0
*ptp4l[15520.262]: rms   70 max  129 freq -16757 +/-  71 delay   821 +/-
0*
*---------------------------------- Here I stop the
traffic --------------------------------- *
*ptp4l[15536.263]: rms  875 max 2463 freq -17147 +/- 918 delay  5696 +/-
1494*
*ptp4l[15552.264]: rms  166 max  490 freq -16802 +/- 117 delay  7433 +/-
3*
ptp4l[15568.266]: rms   12 max   26 freq -16741 +/-  13 delay  7442 +/-   5
ptp4l[15584.267]: rms   11 max   28 freq -16711 +/-  10 delay  7455 +/-   2
ptp4l[15600.269]: rms   15 max   62 freq -16707 +/-  13 delay  7448 +/-   6
ptp4l[15616.270]: rms   62 max  134 freq -16759 +/-  64 delay  7440 +/-   2
ptp4l[15632.272]: rms   18 max   47 freq -16831 +/-  18 delay  7444 +/-   2
ptp4l[15648.273]: rms   10 max   23 freq -16833 +/-   7 delay  7444 +/-   5
ptp4l[15664.275]: rms   11 max   29 freq -16833 +/-   9 delay  7451 +/-   6
ptp4l[15680.276]: rms   30 max   73 freq -16843 +/-  30 delay  7452 +/-   3
ptp4l[15696.278]: rms   36 max   81 freq -16871 +/-  37 delay  7450 +/-   4
ptp4l[15712.280]: rms   15 max   39 freq -16871 +/-  13 delay  7449 +/-   6
ptp4l[15728.281]: rms   12 max   35 freq -16880 +/-   8 delay  7452 +/-   6


On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 12:27 PM Dennis Hagarty (dehagart) <
dehag...@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi Joseph,
>
>
>
> Do you have any output showing it?
>
>
>
> I might have an explanation :-)
>
> But I need to test my theory against your data.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> *From:* Joseph Matan <joseph.matan...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 03 June 2021 21:18
> *To:* linuxptp-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject:* [Linuxptp-users] Path delay is getting smaller under heavy
> traffic
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> This is my simple setup:
>
> master <--> switch <--> slave
>
> The switch is not a ptp-aware.
>
>
>
> When there is only ptp traffic, the path delay is almost constant (very
> low jitter).
>
> The weird thing (to me anyway...) is that under heavy traffic the path
> delay is getting smaller - how does that make sense?
>
> If the switch is not ptp-aware I was expecting the path delay to get
> bigger.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a good explanation for this behavior ?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joseph
>
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