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> From: "Roger E. Rustad, Jr." <[email protected]>
> To: SoCal LUG Users List <[email protected]>
> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:50:24 -0800
> Subject: [LinuxUsers] Dan Tentler's script kiddie antics last night
> Hey guys,
>
> I would like to formally address the "man in the middle" script kiddie
> stuff that Dan Tentler was doing to the SoCal Linux group last night at the
> coffee shop.
>
> Personally, I take issue with Dan...
>
> (a) Not formally and publicly disclosing that he was using Backtrack to
> sniff other members' traffic.
> (b) Not immediately getting rid of another member's gmail password once he
> handed out a fake certificate and sniffed it with Ethereal.
> (c) Doing what he was doing secretly, rather than for the edification of
> the group
> (d) Changing the of an otherwise friendly meeting.
>
> I consider Dan's actions last night tantamount to pick pocketing fellow
> members when we're having a discussion that's not about pick pocketing.
>
> I also would argue that if we, as a group, are going to be cool with other
> members (or, in this case, a friend of a member) secretly doing this kind of
> thing to each other, then we have an obligation to inform newbies in our
> group who do not know any better, particularly unsuspecting friends,
> girlfriends, coworkers, or kids who sometimes accompany us.
>
> Our meetings are not mini Defcons or 2600 meetups, and it's not reasonable
> for new people to come and expect this type of sophomoric crap to take
> place. When one goes to Defcon, one can reasonably expect to get messed
> with. It is the nature of the conference, and much of what is done is often
> made public for everyone's edification (e.g. Wall of Shame).
>
> I like to think of SoCal Linux as a group of open source advocates who work
> at places like Apple, Google, Microsoft, ESRI, etc. Kiddie scripting is not,
> in my opinion, the tone of our group, and if we are going to be cool with
> someone doing this sort of thing, then we should should ask the person in
> question to formally disclose what s/he is doing beforehand or perhaps make
> a public presentation about it, not do it on the side secretly.
>
> I would be curious to know what other people in the group think about this.
> (Dan Tentler is cc'd on this, as well)
>
> Rog
>
>
NOT cool...
