On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Dante Lanznaster <[email protected]> wrote:
> Also, there *is* a reason why AT&T is known for dropped calls, and
> while a bunch of people report reliable service, there are a lot more
> reporting bad service. The bad PR didn't start overnight and surely
> isn't based on a lie.
> On 10/15/09, Chris Penn <[email protected]> wrote:
>> AT&T service is fine with me.  I haven't had issues with dropped calls

Repeatable dropped calls on the AT&T network:

1. Three spots on the train track from Norwalk to Corona.  Drops every
time for two of them, most of the time for the third.
2. One spot taking Whittier Blvd north over the hill to the 60
freeway.  Did it before Cingular bought Nextel, and did it afterwards.
3. One spot going south on I-15 through Lake Elsinore, between Main
and Bundy Canyon ramps.

>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM, David Kaiser <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Of course, this is Dante's opinion, and your own AT&T performance issues
>>> are based on many random factors that could include everything from the
>>> regional topography where you use your phone...

Yeah, in each of the cases above, a topographical feature of the land
makes it difficult to do cell tower hand-offs.  I don't claim to know
why, but I do know that they do.

>>> I am on my 5th AT&T phone (1 nokia, 2 motorola v series, 1 motorola razr,
>>> and 1 iPhone) and none of them have ever dropped a call.  I've had
>>> really good experience with the AT&T network being reliable for both
>>> voice & data.

Aside from the above spots, which I cross either 1&3 or 2&3 every day,
depending if I drive or take the train.

I have a BlackJack phone now, my wife's BlackJack2 had issues as well.
 We both have issues where you simply have to power down about once a
month, or once a week if you use imap.  The phone just stops receiving
text messages, or won't let you make a call, or other weird things
like that.  Those same drop zones existed when I had a Razr.  I've had
two other types of phone as in the past that had issues going over
that hill to the 60 and on the 60 itself (before I was taking the
train).

The most solid performance I ever had was with a (cheap) Nokia
flip-phone and with a (cheap) Nokia regular-ole phone than with any of
the other phones.  The jury is out whether it's due to:
1. that was a long time ago, the cell technology has changed quite a bit.
2. those were basic (cheap) phones that didn't try to do anything
advanced.  "Complexity is the enemy of reliability."
3. Nokia is awesome.

I'd like to think it's number 3.  I want a Nokia with Android, personally.

>>> Based on my experience, throughout Southern California, I would say that
>>> I don't think AT&T is rated any lower or higher than any other network
>>> based on a metric related to dropped calls, or call quality.  I can

The people next to me on the train with Verizon don't have their calls
drop at any of the three places that mine do.  People with T-Mobile
seems to drop in one of the same places I do.

>>> If you google for a combination of the carriers and the word "dropped
>>> calls" (like this:
>>> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=verizon|at%26t|t-mobile|sprint+dropped+calls
>>> )   You'll see that anyone with an opinion thinks their carrier sucks,
>>> and that your opinion is just more noise in the disinformation of the
>>> web.

Agreed.  My first step when considering buying $PRODUCT, is to do a
google search for "$PRODUCT sucks".  (Note use of double quotes
allowing variable expansion...)  Depending on what I see in the
results, I may get educated with new things to consider, conclude the
complainer is a whiner and an idiot, or confirm things that I already
know and what I'm willing to deal with.

-- 
Regards...      Todd
The best thing about pair programming is that you have the perfect
audience for your genius.  -- Kent Beck
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