I don't think anyone is flaming. This has been quiet for the last week or so.
My opinion is the same. There are different kinds of users. Each has his or her own needs. There are different distros to match those needs. Use what you like and brag it up. But do not rain on someone else's parade in doing so. Do not try to drag down another distro in promoting yours. There is lots of anecdotal information about Ubuntu being slow and no factual information. I posted the Phoronix link not to run down Arch. I posted it to counter unsupported statements that Ubuntu was slow and that Arch had some innate superiority. Phoronix tested that and found that basically they are much the same. That does not mean that Arch is better or worse, just different. It also does not make Ubuntu better or worse. Each has its fans and that is great. My bone of contention was and still is that people are spreading FUD about Unity and Ubuntu whether this is intentional or accidental, I am not sure. I don't even use Unity or Ubuntu on a regular basis. But I use enough distros and enough desktops on the same computer to know that most allegations against it are false. That still does not make me like it, BTW. I am a KDE user and always will be. I don't care particularly what the base is, but like the Ubuntu installer, large repositories and the community, so while I have tried about everything I can find no compelling reason to switch. That does not send me to every forum promoting Kubuntu and running down the opposition. I don't see the need for it. People like water seek their own level. Roy Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit Location: Canada On 27 January 2012 19:17, Ben Chavez <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > This rant will never ends. > I am using Ubuntu with enlightenment right now on old hardware and I am > enjoying it. I have also tried KDE 4.8, it was release just couples of day > ago and I like it too. Gnome shell is good. So the best software is the one > you like. There is no right or wrong it is a matter of taste. > > I have SlackWare installed in a box triple booting with OpenSuSE and > FreeBSD is all crazy. I am having a hard time browsing files over the > network with Xfce, I thought I bite the bullet and learn how to do it from > the command line and its been a pain so far but I am not complaining is all > fun. > > So please stop flaming over what is the best distro. > > On 01/27/2012 05:57 PM, Scott Vargovich wrote: > > @ Roy, > > Ubuntu installs with a lot of services turned on - and that slows things > down - especially for those of us like me who have limited resources (P 1.3 > GHz with 768 MB RAM). I've never been ambitious enough to go through the > init scripts and shut unnecessary services down, because I knew it would be > a PITA big job. Arch runs a lot faster out-of-the-box on my hardware > because it doesn't have that thing I call bloat. I doubt my lappy will > ever be able to run Gnome 3 or any environment more resource-hungry (like > KDE) without making me want to drop-kick it through the goal-posts. That's > my story and I'm sticking to it. > > Scott > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: > >> @Scott >> >> So the test data is meaningless? I would like to know what "bloat" >> means. It is a subjective word. I agree about the teaching bit and Arch is >> great. It just is not for everyone. Ubuntu aims to be and that is the >> difference. The test data shows that there is little difference. One would >> expect bigger difference given the two distributions' roots and how they >> are built. That appears not to be the case. >> >> My theory is that no matter what distro you use, bloat comes with >> habits of the user. >> >> I use Kubuntu with KDE 4.8, BTW. With six desktops times half a dozen >> activities with lots of things running and have no problem. I have used >> Fedora, openSUSE, Mandriva, Mint and many others and it is the same. No >> appreciable difference. I have used GNOME Shell on Fedora, KDE on openSUSE, >> Unity on Ubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 and Mint with MGSE. All work fine. I just >> installed Cinnamon and had two applications open and it froze. What >> conclusion should I draw? >> >> It is hard to generalize, but I would not say that Arch is necessarily >> faster (I have used it). I would also say that it is a pain to set up and >> configure. Is it worth it? That is opinion. Everyone has one and none is >> right or wrong. :) >> >> Roy >> >> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit >> Location: Canada >> >> >> On 27 January 2012 17:34, Scott Vargovich <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> @ Roy - From all the headaches I've had with Ubuntu's bloat and hogging >>> of resources, Arch is a breath of fresh air. To me it's every bit worth >>> the effort... and it's teaching me more about my laptop than I ever knew >>> before. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Funny. Phoronix tested Arch against Ubuntu and found little difference >>>> in performance. That was when Maverick came out, but it makes you wonder if >>>> Arch is worth all of the fuss. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_arch_faster&num=1 >>>> >>>> Roy >>>> >>>> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit >>>> Location: Canada >>>> >>>> >>>> On 27 January 2012 15:15, Scott Vargovich <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Arch is growing on me in leaps and bounds. Ubuntu was way too >>>>> bloated... but it was the only OS that would run on my lappy with no >>>>> serious issues. I will post a fix on the wiki if I get an answer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jeremiah Bess < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Arch is awesome. I have it on my desktop and laptop now. I am very >>>>>> pleased with it. I can't help with the Opera problem though, I don't use >>>>>> it, just Chrome. If you do get a fix, might be a good idea to put it on >>>>>> the >>>>>> Arch wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremiah E. Bess >>>>>> Network Ninja, Penguin Geek, Father of four.nine >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103182072532361592558> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahbess> >>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47451026> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:15, Scott Vargovich < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I finally conquered my laptop issues with Arch!!! Don't ask me >>>>>>> how I did it - all I can say is http://wiki.archlinux.org saved my >>>>>>> bacon on more than a few occasions. I'm having an issue with flash >>>>>>> only on >>>>>>> Opera, which is the browser I really want to use. Flash works properly >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> Chromium. Here are the versions of flash and Opera I have installed: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> extra/flashplugin 11.1.102.55-1 >>>>>>> community/opera 11.60-1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any thoughts, ideas, questions, or comments??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> <>< Scott Vargovich <>< >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> OpenPGP Key ID: F8F5DC7E >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux >>>>>>> Users Group. >>>>>>> To post a message, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> For more options, visit our group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup >>>>>>> References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri >>>>>>> Please remember to abide by our list rules ( >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/LUG-Rules or http://cdn.fsdev.net/List-Rules.pdf) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux >>>>>> Users Group. >>>>>> To post a message, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> For more options, visit our group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup >>>>>> References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri >>>>>> Please remember to abide by our list rules ( >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/LUG-Rules or http://cdn.fsdev.net/List-Rules.pdf) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> <>< Scott Vargovich <>< >>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>> OpenPGP Key ID: F8F5DC7E >>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux >>>>> Users Group. >>>>> To post a message, send email to [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> For more options, visit our group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup >>>>> References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri >>>>> Please remember to abide by our list rules ( >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/LUG-Rules or http://cdn.fsdev.net/List-Rules.pdf) >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux Users >>>> Group. >>>> To post a message, send email to [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe, send email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> For more options, visit our group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup >>>> References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri >>>> Please remember to abide by our list rules ( >>>> http://tinyurl.com/LUG-Rules or http://cdn.fsdev.net/List-Rules.pdf) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> <>< Scott Vargovich <>< >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> OpenPGP Key ID: F8F5DC7E >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux Users >>> Group. >>> To post a message, send email to [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> For more options, visit our group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup >>> References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri >>> Please remember to abide by our list rules (http://tinyurl.com/LUG-Rulesor >>> http://cdn.fsdev.net/List-Rules.pdf) >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux Users >> Group. >> To post a message, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit our group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup >> References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri >> Please remember to abide by our list rules (http://tinyurl.com/LUG-Rulesor >> http://cdn.fsdev.net/List-Rules.pdf) >> > > > > -- > <>< Scott Vargovich <>< > ------------------------------------------ > OpenPGP Key ID: F8F5DC7E > ------------------------------------------ > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux Users > Group. > To post a message, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit our group at > http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup > References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri > Please remember to abide by our list rules (http://tinyurl.com/LUG-Rulesor > http://cdn.fsdev.net/List-Rules.pdf) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux Users > Group. > To post a message, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit our group at > http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup > References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri > Please remember to abide by our list rules (http://tinyurl.com/LUG-Rulesor > http://cdn.fsdev.net/List-Rules.pdf) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux Users Group. 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