These may be parity errors- produced by a faulty SUN 20 hard disk.... Your thermal problem??
Helmut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LisaList" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: error 85 > ...one more quick observation. On the occasional time that the Lisa > boots into 7/7, often the computer has 'Technical difficulties > displaying xxxxx Paper". > It doesn't matter what what application, they all seem to have this > problem 30% of the time. > > Cheers > > P > > > > > On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Philip Lord wrote: > > > errrr...ok! > > > > it sounds like performing a low level format needs some special > > equipment that I'm not likely to have. If it can't be done on a Mac > > (now or old) or a Lisa, then I'm kinda screwed. > > > > One other thing I have noticed is an error 10100 next to what I > > guess is the lisa equivalent of 'Sad-Mac'. Is this related to the > > drive? I can not find any reference to this code. > > > > So, I will try to pursue the IDEfile direction. I have no knowledge > > of electronics, however I feel confident with the soldering > > challenge at least. > > Helmut, it sounds like you have built one before. I may have some > > questions for you in the near future ;-) > > > > I won't give up on the Sun REMarketing drive yet. Maybe I'll email > > SUN REM direct. > > If I don't have the tools, maybe they can still reformat my drive > > for me. > > > > Thanks for your reply > > > > P > > > > > > On Nov 3, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Dr. Helmut Post wrote: > > > > > >> Hello Phil, > >> > >> error 85 means: you have reached the hard disk time-out limit... > >> the hard > >> disk hasn't answered within a given time- probably the system > >> track, boot > >> secor is bad . You need a fresh low level format.- or a new drive > >> if the > >> number of bad blocks exceeds 30 counts. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> I have just finished telling the list that I got my SUN REM drive > >>> working again, and that I thought the cause was overheating > >>> (Installed a fan). However I still get constant error 85 messages. > >>> > >>> If I reinstall 7/7 everything seems fine, for a short while, then > >>> error 85 starts happening again. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Probably a thermal error with one of the chips ... probably the > >> SMS OMTI > >> 20813B (MFM controller). > >> Do you have a freezing spray to cool down the chips to locate the > >> error on > >> the controller? > >> I have the same problems- no way to get these chips today- only if > >> you rip > >> the chips from an Amiga 1000 sidecar (PC-XT hardware expansion > >> box) or form > >> an old Atari ST MFM hard disk controller. > >> > >> > >> > >>> The SUN REM drive uses a Kalok KL320 (20mb) MFM drive. I guess these > >>> are getting very old now. Maybe I need to look for another 20mb MFM > >>> drive to replace the Kalok with. Will any MFM 20mb drive work? For > >>> example Kyocera KC020, Miniscribe m8425 or Western General WD362. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Yes, you can use all these disks- provided that your controller is > >> ok. > >> I'm testing these MFM hard disks on my old 80486 IBM AT with an > >> Adaptec ACB > >> 2310 MFM controller card. > >> But: You have to know how to perform a low level format on the SUN > >> controller first! > >> > >> > >> > >>> Or even better, does an adaptor exist for MFM to IDE? I couldn't > >>> find > >>> one by doing an internet search. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> No, there is no such adapter- as far as I know. > >> Choose the IDEFile instead- it's offering full future Widget > >> compatibility > >> as is fully Profile compatible (5 MB and 10MB). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> However, for the life of the machine, I still believe the IDEfile is > >>> the best option for the future. I should start thinking seriously > >>> about this option, otherwise 7/7 will be lost to my machine for > >>> ever. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Yes, I'll recommend you this controller- it's really great! > >> > >> > >> Helmut > >> > >> > >> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> -- > >>> LisaList is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... > >>> > >>> Shop buy.com and save. <http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html> > >>> > >>> Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> > >>> > >>> LisaList info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html> > >>> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; > >>> Send list messages to: <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist% > >>> 40mail.maclaunch.com/> > >>> > >>> iPod Accessories for Less > >>> at 1-800-iPOD.COM > >>> Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal > >>> www.1800ipod.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> LisaList is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... > >> > >> Shop buy.com and save. <http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html> > >> > >> Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> > >> > >> LisaList info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html> > >> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; > >> Send list messages to: <mailto:[email protected]> > >> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/> > >> > >> iPod Accessories for Less > >> at 1-800-iPOD.COM > >> Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal > >> www.1800ipod.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > LisaList is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... > > > > Shop buy.com and save. <http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html> > > > > Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> > > > > LisaList info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html> > > --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; > > Send list messages to: <mailto:[email protected]> > > To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/> > > > > iPod Accessories for Less > > at 1-800-iPOD.COM > > Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal > > www.1800ipod.com > > > > > > > -- > LisaList is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... > > Shop buy.com and save. <http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html> > > Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> > > LisaList info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html> > --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; > Send list messages to: <mailto:[email protected]> > To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/> > > iPod Accessories for Less > at 1-800-iPOD.COM > Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal > www.1800ipod.com > -- LisaList is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... 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