My opinion as an Apple employee at the time (79 to 86 in MIS) supports your opinion. It was just plain hubris that John Couch's team thought they knew what people needed (not what they wanted). I just don't have the energy to regale the list with stories from meetings with Lisa development staff. Don't misunderstand. These were very bright and hardworking people. We had all be blinded to some degree by our successes. We just thought we could do it all and do it alone. We didn't get it.



On Feb 23, 2006, at 8:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's truly a shame that the Lisa wasn't a success. If Apple had had better
management, perhaps the company's primary platform would have had
protected memory. It would have given Apple more credibility and saved
users from a lot of pain.

The Lisa's failure in the market doesn't diminish the excellence of so
much of its design. It just makes it sad to contemplate what the platform
could have become, had it been extended.



my apologies. I thought this was a classiccmp.org mail
list post. Neither can be distinguised from the other
unless you look at the headers. And I didn't expect to
see a PEECEE offered on this one! Please disregard my
earlier message...*yikes*

--- Chris M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

yeah, especially if you had bough either new. The
Lisa
was a flop, cost twice as much as an AT (at least),
and the AT was a huge success (not knocking Lisa's
though - I own one of each :).

--- Jerome Vernet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Le 23 févr. 06, à 18:50, Jason Perkins a écrit :

I don't know if you guys are into collecting
vintage PCs at all, but I
just got a free IBM AT that I simply don't have
the time to mess with
or room to store. It's got 512k of ram, a 286
(w/
the co proc I think,
I'll have to look), a VGA card of that vintage,
and a 20M Seagate disk
(not a Computer Memories unit :( ), and the
usual
5 1/2" disk. The
case is in very nice shape, the front plastic is
not faded.

I can send you pictures if you like. It's all
original.. I would like
to keep it, but I really need to do some
invatory
reduction.


Lisa and IBM PC AT...Both famous historicals
systems
;). I have both of
them, it's really a pity to compare them !

Apart the weight, may be ;)


Jerome



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