> Hi Ron,
> 
> Route pull is not unique to LISP. Just take a look at RTC or ORF ..
> those are classic route pull mechanisms already deployed in many
> networks for BGP today for various AFs.

How about a more obvious example. ARP.  ;-)

> What I however find positively unique to LISP is a boundary less (read
> no domain/as boundary) IP encapsulation for various kinds of data
> traffic + as Dino already mentioned an overlay mapping plane to
> distribute the bindings.
> 
> The only alternative I see for the analogy of such boundary less
> encapsulation would be ILNP, but both are a bit different in their
> respective architectures. As we know ILNP is host based and LISP is
> network based solutions. Each have their pros and cons and I we have
> already went in RRG on pages of discussions reg both.
> 
> Sure as we speak there are efforts to carry remote next hops in BGP to
> sort of allow for similar boundary less encapsulation, but carrying
> those inbound of BGP is subject to be filtered anywhere in the path
> sort of breaking the game. Hence having separate mapping plane does
> solve that problem quite well.

The LISP-ALT was an overlay control-plane so filtering COULD HAVE been less of 
an issue because less parties would be involved in running it versus the number 
of people/organizations that run BGP today.

Dino

> 
> Best,
> R.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:51 AM, Ronald Bonica <rbon...@juniper.net> wrote:
>> Folks,
>> 
>> In Section 2.1, we say that LISP is built on top of four basic design 
>> principles:
>> 
>>   - Locator/Identifier split
>>   - Overlay architecture
>>   - Decoupled data and control-plane
>>   - Incremental deployability
>> 
>> However, none of these design principles are unique to LISP. The IETF has 
>> produced many overlay architectures over the years and nearly all of them 
>> share these characteristics.
>> 
>> Oddly, the one design principle that *is* truly unique to LISP is omitted 
>> from the list. That is, the route pull model.
>> 
>> Likewise, In Section 7, we site several use cases to which LISP might be 
>> applied. However, we say nothing about why LISP might provide a better 
>> solution than any of the other overlay architectures that the IETF has 
>> produced in years gone by. Does LISP provide a superior solution because of 
>> its one unique characteristic?
>> 
>> In order to fix these problems, I suggest that we make the following changes 
>> to Section 2.1:
>> 
>> - add a bullet concerning route pull
>> - add a sentence saying that route pull is the only principle that is unique 
>> to LISP
>> 
>> A use case should be included in Section 7 only if route pulling makes the 
>> LISP solution superior to existing solutions.
>> 
>> Ron Bonica
>> 
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