In message <v04220801b4d61de82289@[209.239.169.197]>, you wrote:
>>>We've received less than
>>>1 complaint for every 100,000 subscribers transferred to us.
>>
>>That's one too many.
>
>Okay, Ronald -- you're perfect?
>
>Until you are, statements like this simply show how unreasonable your
>position is.
Chuq, since you have such a problem with reading comprehension, allow me
to suggest that you have someone else read my last message to you... in
particular the part where I say that I don't expect anything to be perfect,
but I _do_ expect companies to perform reasonable quality assurance steps.
If you need some explanation of the term ``quality assurance'', let me
know and I will send you some URLs. You can then have your reading
assistant read the material on those pages to you. (Many of them _will_
have multi-syllable words on them, so you might have a bit of trouble
with them.)
>When you achieve perfection, then you can start demanding it of the
>rest of us. Until then, we're all doing the best we can...
No actually, you're not.
You are not confirming subscriptions, as you KNOW you should be, and you
are putting MY mailbox at risk because you and YOUR user base are either
too fricking lazy or too fricking stupid to be able to reply to a simple
confirmation request. (I guess this is what happens when one uses Macs
for too long: Brain Rot.)
And Sharon and her company are not ``doing the best they can'' either...
not as long as they are doing *zero* QA on imported lists.
It doesn't really take that much time, effort, or money to be a responsible
mailing list administrator. But it is clear that there are _are_ quite a
lot of weasle companies (whose ONLY motive is their own convenience and
profit) that would like the world to believe otherwise. But regardless,
it is still fairly easy to be a socially responsible mailing list admin...
if one wants to do that.
> -- and in
>e-mail, the only thing that's a given is that no matter WHAT you do,
>it's going ot piss off one or another group of people, and screw some
>people over.
Fine. Agreed.
Now, you have a choice... either piss off a tiny percentage of the people
who have voluntarily elected to interact with you and your lists, or else
piss off *me*, a totally innocent bystander, who never asked for ANY garbage
from your lists, or from Sharon's lists, or from egroups, or from onelist,
or from topica, ...
Look, this is a very simple moral dilemma... You can dump your toxic waste
into a nearby river... the common drinking water supply for the entire
local community... thereby pissing off quite a lot of innocent bystanders...
or you can refrain from dumping your toxic waste in a place that is most
convenient for YOU, thereby pissing off your shareholders.
What's it gonna be?
>There are no perfect, 100% solutions. Except unplugging
>and turning on the TV.
Funny you should mention that.
This is exactly the long term effect that is being produced by the ongoing
thoughtless pollution of the e-mail space... more and more people are saying
to themselves ``Gee, if I wanted to just have advertisments blasted at me, I
could have just sat in front of the TV set, and paid less for the privledge.''
You folks who are so cavilier about your careless pollution are killing your
own golden goose.
(Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's
gone? Take paradise, put up a parking lot.)
>Now, will you get off your high horse and start trying to suggest
>realistic, real-world solutions?
I did. So did John Levine.
Please _do_ get your daddy or your reading coach to read you some of the
messages that have been posted here.
When you do that, you will learn that:
1) It has been suggested that people/companies who ``import'' lists
from other sources routinely can and should spot check those lists
to make sure they aren't just spammer culled address lists.
2) EVERYONE who runs a mailing list should CONFIRM all alleged new
subscriptions.
Some people, at least, have been doing these things for a long time now.
*Whining* that these things are too difficult to do in practice doesn't
make it so.
