On Friday, May 18, 2001, at 07:37 AM, William Silvert wrote:

> I recently rejoined this list after an absence of several years because 
> of
> my growing frustration with the problems caused by spam filters. I run 
> about
> a dozen mailing lists in different sites, based on Majordomo, Listserv 
> and
> Listproc, and find that I am wasting more and more time dealing with 
> message
> rejection by automatic spam filters set up by hyperactive system
> administrators. I would like to initiate a discussion to see how 
> widespread
> the problem is and if there is any way to deal with it.

Fairly widespread. Right now, for instance, I'm seeing a lot of stuff 
bounced if it has the word "homepage" in it, which is (IMHO) ludicrous. 
I realize that virus is nasty, but simplistic 'fixes' like that don't 
fix the problem.

To be blunt about it, there's not a lot you can do. Writing admins to 
poke at them is usually fruitless. When a given site gets too annoying, 
I simply unsubscribe the user, send them a private note explaining why, 
suggesting THEY poke at their admin to get their act together, and ask 
them not to resubscribe until their site's fixed.

Not a great answer, but I don't think there are great answers here.

(putting on my other hat for a second, though, since I run mail lists 
that are fairly widely subscribed to, I can usually tell when a virus 
hits the net, and right now, there are at least three running pretty 
rampant out there. For most of the last ten days or so, when I check the 
postmaster mail on my big server machine, about 40% of the mail sent to 
that machine has been sent by one of those three viruses attempting to 
propogate. I've *never* seen the net with such agressive and virulent 
beasts that have this level of penetration. When I'm seeing 50 or more 
of these a day, I can understand why network admins are getting a little 
freaky about trying to shut them down -- I just think many of them are 
going about it sideways, but then, not all network admins have the 
experience some of us have; worse, many are stuck with things like 
Exchange or NOtes or other badly written mail systems, and have their 
hands tied up front...)


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