Heh--also a good point. Total cost of ownership discussions get really complicated rather quickly because of the huge number of variables and unknowns involved. There are white papers on both the Windows and Linux sides claiming their TCO is lower, and honestly I think they're both right because it's so dependent upon the situation. The difference is that while you *can* go completely free from a software standpoint on the Linux side, that isn't possible on the Windows side. It's life post-installation that can start costing more on the Linux side depending upon what skills you have in house, the going rates for admins on the platform, etc. etc. etc. TCO discussions are a bit meaningless without a context.

Matt

On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Adrian J. Moreno wrote:

But if you install CentOS 2 or 3, "a 100% compatible rebuild of the RHEL 2 and 3 versions" (http://www.centos.org/), you're back to paying zero for your OS. :P

-- Adrian

Jacob Cameron wrote:

Have you priced RedHat Enterprise edition lately? Last time I compared
Microsoft, RedHat and Suse, they were all around the same price!!!
 Jacob
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ASP is not free, in runs on a proprietary web server which requires Windows
Y2K or higher.   That is not a free sceneario in my mind.
Kent
Knipp, Eric wrote:
Tom,
Did you go back to Thomson?
Eric
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I've started doing some C# programming and agree that it's a waste of
time to do C# without visual studio.  The good thing that I've seen
about C# and .net is that everything is an object. The intelli- sense in Visual Studio is awesome. I would love to see Macromedia/Adobe add that functionality to DreamWeaver. It would be cool as you code to know what
methods and properties are available from your CFC.
ColdFusion is hands down easier to develop with IMO. But that could be a factor of what you are used to. 8 or 9 years of CF development versus
2 weeks of C#.  Hmmmmm.
The knock on CF is that it's not free like ASP or PHP. Not sure of what
VisualStudio costs, but that has to be included in the comparison.
Tom
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Subject: Re: CF VS .Net?
I've done two smallish projects in C#, and if you don't use Visual Studio the amount of code you have to write is HEINOUS. If you plan to do any amount of .NET development whatsoever, add Visual Studio licenses to the total cost because writing all that code by hand is a nightmare. To me that's not a strength of the Visual Studio tool, it's a weakness of the language. ;-) I just don't understand why everything other than CF (and some J2EE servers of course) doesn't manage your datasources so you can have simple query statements like we have in CF, and that's just one example. All that extra code adds up quickly.
Matt
On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:49 AM, John Ivanoff wrote:
A while back ben forta blogged on this "Defending ColdFusion Against ASP.NET <http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm? mode=e&entry=1264hesaiditshouldbemoreJ2
EEvs.NET> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
"www.forta.com" claiming to be "
http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=e&entry=1264
he said it should be more J2EE vs .NET
"ASP.NET apps take advantage of the .NET framework and infrastructure,
just like ColdFusion apps take advantage of J2EE"
I've looked into .NET and to me it's like programming cobol. 30* lines of code to do a "HELLO WORLD" But I'm sure you can do some really cool
stuff with it.
* not really but sure seems like 30.
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Just for discussion, what are the pro's and cons on CF versus .Net?
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