sounds good to me William. Poor paul is doing the holla holla these days.
If you only knew what happened - pure comedy ;-)
On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, William X. Walsh wrote:
>
> On 07-Nov-99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Got RBL'd so you are using a free email service now, huh?
>
> Just so people know his real motive here.
>
> >
> >> Planet Communications & Computing Facility
> >> Tel: 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033
> >> Fax: 1 (419) 821-8581
> >>
> >> November 7, 1999
> >>
> >>
> >> Mr. Paul Vixie
> >> Internet software Consortium
> >> 950 Charter Street
> >> Redwood City, CA 94063 Faxed: 1.650.779.7055
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Mr. Vixie:
> >>
> >> I am writing to you today with respect to a Mr. David Conrad your
> >> executive director. Mr. Conrad has made a number of statements in the
> >> newsgroup comp.protocols.dns.bind which are false and misleading.
> >>
> >> In his email dated November 3rd, 1999 Mr. Conrad said "PCCF has _no_
> >> relation whatsoever with ISC, we don't know who these people are, what
> >> they are trying to do, why they are trying to do it, or whether they can
> >> be trusted". This statement is a lie. We have contacted you on a number
> >> of occasions concerning the bind survey. We have attempted to enlist your
> >> assistance in closing down security issues related to you negligence in
> >> programming bind 4.9.5, 4.9.6 and 8.1.1.
> >>
> >> So to claim the ISC has no knowledge of us and our intentions is a lie
> >> which I assume has been made for no better purpose then to reduce your
> >> liability and exposure to your own negligence.
> >>
> >> Mr. Vixie this culture of lies you support must stop. This orgy of
> >> deception must end. Your failures and negligence in developing BIND can
> >> not be buried in some dark corner of the Internet, away from prying eyes.
> >> On the contrary, I see your failures and negligence as an opportunity to
> >> build a better and more secure Internet infrastructure.
> >>
> >> In closing may I suggest you pick up Joy Berry's children's book about
> >> "Lying" and pass it out to your staff as required reading. It is an
> >> excellent book on the virtues of telling the truth - and it has many
> >> pretty pictures.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Joe Baptista, Director
> >>
> >> encl: 1
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Statement on 'PCCF and the "BIND Survey"'
> >> Date:
> >> 3 Nov 1999 12:39:55 -0800
> >> From:
> >> "David R. Conrad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Organization:
> >> none
> >> Newsgroups:
> >> comp.protocols.dns.bind
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Apologies for duplicates -- having to do a bit of firefighting here]
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Recently, a group of individuals calling themselves the "Planet
> >> Communications &
> >> Computing Facility" (PCCF) sent mass unsolicited electronic mail to the
> >> point of
> >> contact e-mail address listed in the SOA records of (apparently) every
> >> zone they
> >> could reach claiming (in part):
> >>
> >> "We conduct and maintain the BIND (Berkley Internet Name Daemon)
> >> survey databases."
> >>
> >> and stating or inferring their Canadian-based organization (with a domain
> >> creation date of 1999 as documented in their whois record) has for "years"
> >> been
> >> "assisting the United States Government and the Department of Defense" in
> >> closing "security holes" in the DNS infrastructure.
> >>
> >> As a result of their mass unsolicited e-mail that implies an association
> >> with
> >> BIND, ISC has received numerous questions about PCCF, their motives,
> >> methods,
> >> and intentions. In addition, several individuals have lodged "spam"
> >> complaints
> >> and questioned whether ISC has taken part in, sponsored, or otherwise
> >> supports
> >> "the PCCF spam".
> >>
> >> For the record:
> >>
> >> - PCCF has _no_ relation whatsoever with ISC, we don't know who these
> >> people are, what they are trying to do, why they are trying to do
> >> it, or whether they can be trusted;
> >>
> >> - PCCF has _no_ connection with BIND other than (presumably) using
> >> BIND as their DNS server, they are not an ISC support customer or
> >> contributor, nor have we (to my knowledge) received any bug
> >> reports or other constructive information on DNS security from them;
> >>
> >> - the PCCF "survey" which purports to identify DNS vulnerabilities is
> >> _completely_ unrelated to the joint ISC / Network Wizard Domain
> >> Name survey which merely counts domains and has done so since 1991
> >> as a metric of Internet growth (see http://www.isc.org/survey.html
> >> for details);
> >>
> >> - ISC strongly agrees with the IAB statement regarding the necessity
> >> of a single domain name system root and disagrees with the PCCF
> >> political characterization of ICANN at the end of their mass
> >> mailing;
> >>
> >> - ISC does not support "spam" in anyway and we nominate spamming
> >> organizations to the RBL (see http://mail-abuse.org);
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> - BIND stands for "Berkeley Internet Name Domain" (according to the
> >> original authors) not "Berkley Internet Name Daemon".
> >>
> >> Any complaints, flames, etc. regarding the PCCF "survey" should be sent to
> >> Joe
> >> Baptista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, NOT to the Internet Software Consortium.
> >>
> >> Speaking personally, while I think a survey of the security of domain name
> >> servers could be of value, I am highly skeptical of the claims PCCF has
> >> made and
> >> strongly suspect the individuals involved are merely using their "survey"
> >> as an
> >> attempt to justify spamming their position on ICANN to every SOA contact
> >> in the
> >> DNS for political reasons.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> -drc
> >> Executive Director, Internet Software Consortium
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> J. Baptista Planet Communications & Computing Facility
> >> Voice/Fax (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033
> >> http://www.pccf.net/
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> William X. Walsh - DSo Internet Services
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax:(209) 671-7934
>
>
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