[RJS: cough choke. I guess is was a political move to keep the
discontent quiet. I heard an earfull in Berlin from um, I
guess I'd better not say]
>From: "Paul Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Michael Sondow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: "icann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Beckwith Burr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Esther Dyson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Joel I. Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "James Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Kenneth Jost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "IFWP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Domain Policy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Christopher Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Thomas King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Barbara Dooley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Reminder: ICANN ASO - Website and Discussion
>Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:32:59 +1000
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>Mr Sondow,
>
>We have no indication that there is any such level of discontent (namely,
>insult, injury, virulent hatred etc), with the open processes that led to
>the establishment of the ASO, nor with the work of the ASO or AC to date.
>
>In the event of an error of judgement on the part of the RIRs or AC, or of
>evolving circumstances or consensus views, it seems that the open channels
>which are the subject of this announcement would provide the means for a
>correction. These are in addition to the open channels (including regular
>open meetings) which have been provided by the RIRs for years in the service
>of their memberships, which collectively include some 3000 of the ISPs whose
>interests concern you.
>
>In case it is not clearly understood, I should also mention that each of the
>RIRs is controlled by a board or equivalent structure which is elected
>directly by their memberships.
>
>Regards,
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>http://www.apnic.net ph/fx +61 7 3367 0490/82
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>See you at APRICOT 2000! 28 Feb - 2 Mar http://www.apricot2000.ne.kr
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>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Sondow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2000 15:03
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Cc: icann; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Beckwith Burr; Esther Dyson; Joel
>> I. Klein; James Tierney; Kenneth Jost; IFWP; Domain Policy; Christopher
>> Kelly; Thomas King; Barbara Dooley
>> Subject: Re: Reminder: ICANN ASO - Website and Discussion
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. Wilson-
>>
>> According to your announcement (below), you have created an Address
>> Supporting Organization by means of a bilateral Memorandum of
>> Understanding between the Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) and
>> ICANN, without any provision or place in it for ISPs, the users of
>> Internet addresses.
>>
>> Why has this been done? Why have you ignored the very reasonable
>> proposal for inclusion of ISPs in the ASO, made by Barbara Dooley,
>> President of CIX? (See:
>> http://www.icann.org/comments-mail/comment-aso/msg00021.html) Don't
>> you realize that if you continue to regulate the allocation of IP
>> addresses without allowing the users of them to participate you are
>> asking for trouble?
>>
>> The same thing was done vis-a-vis domain names. The end-users who
>> tried to participate in the DNSO were turned away, sometimes
>> violently, as in the June Names Council teleconference. We were
>> first invited to participate by the White Paper, and then, when we
>> did participate, we were excluded and insulted. Now you are
>> repeating this with ISPs.
>>
>> Don't you realize, Mr. Wilson, that inviting ISPs and other IP
>> address users to join a mailing list, after they have been excluded
>> from direct participation in the regulation of what most concerns
>> them, is adding insult to injury? The ICANN board doesn't seem to
>> appreciate the virulent hatred against them that their insulting
>> rejection of domain name users has engendered. Are you going to now
>> add ISPs to the lengthening list of people and organizations who
>> have been spit at by ICANN and its supporting organizations? Do you
>> think that you can refuse to collaborate and insult people, and then
>> continue to work selfishly for your own ends indefinitely, without
>> suffering any of the consequences of what your actions?
>>
>>
>> icann-announce wrote:
>> >
>> > Reminder: ICANN ASO - Website and Discussion Lists
>> >
>> > This is an announcement to all parties with interests in management of
>> > Internet Address space and related resources.
>> >
>> > The Address Supporting Organisation of ICANN (the Internet
>> Corporation for
>> > Assigned Names and Numbers) was established last year, and has
>> assumed its
>> > responsibilities under the ICANN Bylaws for coordination of
>> global policy
>> > development in relation to Internet Addresses and related resources. The
>> > nine-member Address Council has also been established, in
>> accordance with
>> > the ASO MoU and ICANN Bylaws.
>> >
>> > Since its establishment, the ASO has established mailing lists
>> and a website
>> > to ensure that its processes are open and transparent, and
>> accessible to all
>> > parties with an interest in Internet resource management issues.
>> >
>> > Three ASO mailing lists are now available for public access to ASO
>> > information, and for input into the ASO process:
>> >
>> > aso-announce - for announcements and other information
>> > relating to the ASO (read only list)
>> > aso-policy - for open discussion on policy and other
>> > ASO matters (open subscription list)
>> > aso-comment - for comment and input of any kind (no
>> > subscription necessary)
>> >
>> > The ASO website is also now available, at http://www.aso.icann.org, and
>> > carries information relating to the ASO, Address Council, and
>> policy matters
>> > which may be under consideration; as well as complete archives
>> of the above
>> > mailing lists.
>> >
>> > At this time the Address Council is seeking participants in the
>> ASO process,
>> > and encourages all interested parties to subscribe to the mailing lists
>> > above. To subscribe, send a message to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > containing the text "subscribe <list name>", for instance "subscribe
>> > aso-policy".
>> >
>> > We look forward to your participation!
>> >
>> > Paul Wilson
>> > for the ASO Address Council.
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________________________________
>> > Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > http://www.apnic.net ph/fx +61 7 3367 0490/82
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > See you at APRICOT 2000! 28 Feb - 2 Mar http://www.apricot2000.ne.kr
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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>> Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org
>> Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927
>> ============================================================
>>
>>
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