Nathan, You have been removed from the list. You have not contributing anything of a technical nature related to Linux in some time. If I am incorrect, please point out a single post in the list archive from 2011 or 2010, where you commented on something technical in nature.
But your completely uncalled for comments, are not acceptable in a public forum such as this mailing list. But not to silence you on this post, since it does contain your point of view, and not irrelevant comments made in your last two posts prior to this one. On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 19:55 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: > Its smug remarks like this that have caused me to lose all > respect for jaxlug. If I didnt know better i'd think this was > ran by highschool kids. If I had an emplyee act this way i'd > fire them on the spot. Its not about content, its about lack > of respect and presentation. > > It's lack of respect for other people's viewpoints that got us to this > point in the first place. I am the one who made sure there was a way for people in the JaxLUG to voice their viewpoints. Had I not acted, there would be no mailing list, or wiki, or domain, or meetings, etc. Not to mention I could have removed you from the list much sooner, if I did not want to hear your point of view. Its the lack of professionalism I will not tolerate. > William consistently disrespects people and their views. Anyone that > doesn't have the identical experience that he has cannot be on his > level and therefore their opinions aren't as valuable as his. I am > CERTAINLY not the only one who feels this way. You cannot make everyone like you all the time. I am not here to be liked, I am here to advance the area technologically. Do not get the two mixed up they are not the same. Also its a two way street with how others feel towards your comments and attitude. > Frankly after seeing it for so long, I finally called him out on it. I will call you out with facts. Though your results includes others mine does not ;) http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Nathan+Hamiel%22 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22William+L+Thomson+Jr%22 > I am tired of seeing the way that he craps on other people. He is > overly insulting and I refuse to apologize for calling him out on it. > How he said because I haven't been able to help out lately or because > my open source projects don't have VC then somehow I am a digital > dirtbag. I never said that, and you took things the completely wrong way. My point was we have different experiences. I am trying to share mine, which comes from other areas than this one. I chose to move back to Jacksonville to bring what I saw else where here. Can you say the same? I am also going out of my way to help out the JaxLUG. You can do the same, if you have similar interests and agenda. > I work in the security space, projects that I work on solve > particular problems. I apologize for not porting a package manager > lately... yawn... I am too busy finding vulnerabilities in the crap > the programmers write. So do some of our other presenters, who also travel, and make time to present. Your not the only one in Jacksonville who works in the security field. Though I can't recall when you have given a security presentation or any for the JaxLUG. When do you plan to share your experience with the community your a member of? What do you consider your membership and involvement, and what do you expect to gain? > On top of that he consistently makes every conversation he is in about > him. He is the Tyra Banks of Linux. No matter what is said he always > has to have the last word, EVERY TIME. No, I did not respond to many things. Though since I do respond allot, its easy to see things that way, and most times might be that way. > He also consistently quotes things as if they are facts to which there > is no evidence, I provide links to facts, which is what I did on the Twitter thread. It was not my opinion, I was shocked by the facts others produced. > such as there are far more people on IRC than there are on Twitter. > You can't just make stuff up and expect people not to call you on it > at some point. Its something that can't be counted easily. But just think, a technology thats still in use that was created in 1988. In all practical sense it would have a larger install and user base, spanning decades. If you want to take a quick snapshot now. Twitter might lead, but in what region of the world? Twitter is not everywhere, in every country ;) > For him to insinuate somehow that because I disagree with him > (because what he said is complete BS) that I somehow don't understand > IRC is also insulting. Sorry, but you can't just make stuff up and > expect people not to call you out at some point. My point was if your not using IRC as part of your work, you won't have the same value for the medium. Just as your making the argument that you use Twitter for work and it benefits you. When downplay IRC in favor of Twitter, it just shows that you don't realize the amount of work being done daily for years, on IRC. Thats been going on long before Twitter ever existed. Those things didn't change because Twitter came out. > That comment that William made about IRC was a blatant callback to the > conversation we had earlier. Sorry it was not. IRC has come up a few times. So which conversation are you referring to? My point was another leading developer group in Jacksonville is using IRC. If you write code, and do it with others world wide, you will likely use IRC for that. That is not my opinion, that is fact. If they don't use IRC, they will use some other two way chat medium. I have seen projects posting commits and stuff to Twitter. But rarely developers interacting with each other on technical matters. Those emails become huge, with code and comments. > So the smug remark was started by him. Nope, cause I did not direct it towards anyone. Yours was a direct and deliberate reply to what I just said. > I have been sitting here reading his comments and watching him throw > a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum all day. Maybe we need to give > him a digital timeout until he can act like a grownup again. You can think what ever. But from a business point of view I have been evaluating my interest in the JaxLUG for some time. I am involved for business purposes, not social. If I am not getting the business benefit end of the day. Then its just not worth it all around to me. Also having people step up or shut up is not childish. Thats challenging them to do something other than cast out opinions. > I would hope, and I know, that if I was doing the same thing people > would call me out as well. I would expect nothing less. They have, but most will just be silent. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-list&r=1&w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml Unsubscribe [email protected]
