Microsoft finally posted some formal information today: http://blogs.technet.com/b/in_the_cloud/archive/2015/08/05/navigating-the-windows-10-distribution-rings.aspx. Nothing really new or different from what's in this thread, just formalized and summarized in one official place.
J From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Aldrich Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 10:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll That is brilliant, Warren... and way closer to the reality in IT today than many may realize! It's all about the need for "agility" in IT today. The executives know this, but often those further down in the food chain are oblivious, and wedded to doing things "like we always did"... The execs clearly understand "digital disruption" and the threat it imparts on their company... look at the "disruption" Uber placed on the taxi industry, or Amazon Prime and traditional retail;... it's not the future... it is the reality of today. 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Boss: "John, why are you recommending CBB over LTSB" ME: "CBB is like our current patching strategy except it includes features, not just security patches. Do you remember when we were reluctant to do monthly patches? We are obviously better off with the current patching strategy even though it took some work to get used to it." Boss: "How do any of those things help our employees or make them more productive? As a matter fact aren't we risking more by updating more frequently? Aren't we allowing users to waste time playing around with these features that are obviously targeted at home user?" Me: "I can't say what will make our users more productive or not. My concern is ensuring that we have the features available when they decide they need them, instead of locking into a feature set that can't be changed easily. You recall how difficult our transition from XP was...that was a feature set lock in." Boss: "Obviously you have the Firms best interest at heart, you are not just a geek who thinks everyone should be on the bleeding edge but are seeing the future needs of our company and preparing for them. Now go and deploy CBB and find someone else to do your job...because I have a promotion for you!" -Warren From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 9:51 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll When my boss asks me why we should use CBB rather than LTSB what should I tell him? This is how I see that conversation going: Boss: "John, why are you recommending CBB over LTSB" ME: "CBB has Edge, the Windows store, Cortona and some other apps plus it gets new features faster than LTSB" Boss: "How do any of those things help our employees or make them more productive? As a matter fact aren't we risking more by updating more frequently? Aren't we allowing users to waste time playing around with these features that are obviously targeted at home user?" Me: "Well they don't really make our users any more productive but they are really cool. And yes, we are likely taking more risk" Boss: "Obviously you don't have the Firms best interest at heart, you are just a geek who thinks everyone should be on the bleeding edge. Now go and deploy LTSB and if this happens again I'll find someone else to do your job!" In there somewhere I'd probably explain how we can lock some of those features down etc. And I'd expect the reply to be that if they aren't installed we don't need to lock them down. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Niehaus Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 9:41 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll Yes, that sounds right. The ability to use WSUS/SCCM isn't tied directly to CB vs. CBB, it's more of a SKU feature: Pro and Enterprise can use WSUS/SCCM; Home can't. Thanks, -Michael From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Merenda, Kenneth Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 10:14 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll Do I have this right? LTSB * No Store * No Edge * Some native apps missing * Security updates delivered in real time * No feature updates * Updates can come from WU, WSUS, or WSUS/SCCM CBB * Full set of apps with Windows Store and Edge browser * Security updates delivered in real time * Feature updates delivered after they have been tested by consumers/insiders * Updates can come from WU, WSUS, or WSUS/SCCM CB * Full set of apps with Windows Store and Edge browser * Security and feature updates delivered in real time For CB, can WSUS/SCCM be used for deployment of security and feature updates? From what I've read so far, it seems like only CBB and LTSB support WSUS/SCCM. Kenneth Merenda From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 8:30 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll If I wanted my users to have all the features targeted for consumers I'd just buy them all Macs, that's what they want anyway. :) Just giving you a hard time, I hope you know. But in all seriousness I don't think I care if my users have any of those things. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Niehaus Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 8:23 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll CB/CBB will always have the in-box apps, Edge, Store, and Cortana; LTSB won't. Having the full store open is a completely different discussion/debate, but there are options there to limit the apps to just those you've selected for your organization. The deferral period will be fairly long (more than several, less than many months - can't say exact numbers until they are published), and it's not 100% firm either - if there are still issues, it can be extended. Thanks, -Michael From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 9:19 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll I wouldn't want my enterprise users to have the Windows store either. Who would? You really want your users going out to the windows store and installing whatever they please on your corporate owned devices? I'll need a definitive list of features before I can make a decision I suppose. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Ratliff Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:50 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll Its a lot more than Edge...I cant find the exact post, but I know I saw somewhere the Store is gone, some of the native apps are gone, etc. LTSB appears to be more for ATMs and such... https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/3fo8wp/windows_10_enterprise_ltsb/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.reddit.com_r_sysadmin_comments_3fo8wp_windows-5F10-5Fenterprise-5Fltsb_&d=BQMF-g&c=r_B2dqKkHczsuXPCSs5DOw&r=krYjy-Xm1tps1F_nkG9sNKQIT3ZPFrUh3rvr18goJ2E&m=RhzopmBm0DxdOcuAzbFNY5bkTbZOQigOEzbVdjYIEc8&s=H5SROV0ekuw5O_J2RCz666Y0mqxRnHAdZTXwAWb2UHk&e=> Note that the LTSB codebase will be supported for the full 10 years, but it is really targeted at things like ATMs, kiosks, medical devices, etc. - things that are generally not subject to change for long periods of time and/or are deemed "mission critical". If you expect things to get used by users, you probably don't actually want to consider Windows 10 LTSB, as it will get zero of the feature updates that are likely to come on a 4-6 month cycle going forward. It would generally be best to get on Current Branch for Business (CBB), where you can get additional time (up to a year or more, depending on the last major update) to push out major updates. This is actually one of the reasons there's still an "Insiders" ring post-RTM - this allows you to build images and test new features as part of the Insider ring, which will eventually be pushed out to Current Branch, and then to Current Branch for Business after that. This is the recommendations for testing/rollout with Windows 10 - LTSB isn't really designed for "user population" use. Daniel Ratliff From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 8:38 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll So if we don't do CBB we don't get Edge and if we do CBB and an update breaks something in testing we are screwed at the end of the deferral period? Tough choice, my users like Chrome already so I guess they won't really miss Edge and my experience thus far with edge has been iffy so I'm still leaning towards LTSB. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Niehaus Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 9:26 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll For CB/CBB, there is a deferral period (checking on the specifics, but it's "a while" :)); subsequent security updates after that deferral period require a newer Windows 10 upgrade. For example, some number of months after the release of a new feature upgrade, security updates will be dependent on that new feature upgrade. Thanks, -Michael From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason Sandys Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:38 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll Thanks Mike. And to clarify, if you do choose one of the CBs, you must deploy the latest branch available for that CB (within a the specific time period for that branch) or you don't get Windows Updates anymore? Is that correct or are there other ramifications for not applying the latest branch? J From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Niehaus Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:28 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [mssms] RE: Quick Poll We believe for most organizations you should use a mix: * A small percentage (maybe just your own lab machines) on the Insider branch, to see new features as they are being developed. * A small percentage on the Current Branch, as early adopters. * A significant percentage on the Current Branch for Business, deployed in phases. * Some percentage (dependent on industry) of mission-critical machines on the Long Term Servicing Branch, probably averaging under 20% (could be zero for some firms, higher for others). Maybe that mix works out to <1%, 1%, 80%, and the rest. 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