Tom - alot of records management systems use these dates as if written in blood.

Peter - I agree, the created date should be the created date end-of-story. Not 
the 'created date' (in the UI) but it *really* means last 'uploaded date' to 
those who use the system.

This is yet another thing for the user's to remember and discern against. When 
they look at a date on the screen they ask "is this the real date? Or does it 
mean something else?" - Help desk tickets soar.

We could go and create additional date fields etc to record what we 'really 
want' but dates from word documents, office doccos etc that carry through will 
then need to be copied over to these other dates.

Back in V1.0 (1999/2000) of Sharepoint we had 'similar' things and in 
V2.0...well let's not go there. V3.0 is improved upon, but dig a little and 
there's trouble.....

(back to the chase) *Tom* - you could go and modify the views etc. but then 
you're really going to have to modify some of the standard WSS/MOSS 
functionality (e.g. uploading a docco) and intercept the unwanted standard 
behaviour.

Could be done with an Event Receiver - attached to a List, Content Type or 
custom information policy. That would be my bet I think.
(also use ListItem.SystemUpdate()  - when you go to set the DateCreated field 
as this won't fire events, or create previous versions...or appear in audit 
logs.....or appear as a site change (site.GetChanges()) )

HTH,

Mick Badran (MVP - BizTalk)
Training & Integration Specialist | Microsoft Readiness Instructor
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+61 2 3962 4898
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Bizannes
Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2007 3:33 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] created date (document library)

Peter,

Just wondering why the created date is so important.

The archiving systems we deal with are interested in the last modified date as 
archiving normally goes from there.

You would probably need to set another date on load called [RealLastModfied] 
and set a workflow to update this if the [Modified] date was greater than the 
[created] date to the modified date...

Created could be dealt with in a similar way by loading this into another date 
field e.g. [RealCreatedDate]

Regards,
Tom Bizannes
SharePoint consultant
www.macroview.com.au
Sydney, Australia

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Milliner
Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2007 3:06 PM
To: listserver@ozmoss.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] created date (document library)

Hello all,

Just a quick question on view item in the document library.

At the bottom there is information including content type, version, created at 
etc...
The created at  [date] seems to be getting date from the created field which I 
believe is automatically set  when document is added or uploaded.

The problem I have is when uploading it sets date and time for created field to 
be the date I upload it (does not correspond to the document I am uploading 
creation date).

I am using a auditing policy to review the documents after 2 years and have 
added a custom column called original creation date and set the policy to start 
workflow from this date.

But I can see the potential for confusion for users with the created column and 
my custom column original creation date (manual input of data) especially when 
this is displayed on the "view item page"

Is there a way to easily change the template for this form or change the 
created to respresent the real creation date of document

Any help or advise is appreciated

Peter Milliner
Administrator
Bendigo TAFE


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