Ken, Stecktronics has to test and demonstrate their products for that hard earned "USCG Approved" Stamp of Approval.
No worries, but thanks anyway. Charmaine Aboard s/v September Sea "Life's a Gift... Unwrap It!" - C~ www.SeptemberSea.com -------Original Message------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/16/2008 12:08:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Liveaboard Digest, Vol 14, Issue 70 Send Liveaboard mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Liveaboard digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Bets & Alcohol Stoves (Ken James) 2. Re: LEDs (Ken James) 3. Re: Bets & Alcohol Stoves (Lee Haefele) 4. Re: LectraSan limits (Bob Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:40:35 -0500 From: Ken James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Bets & Alcohol Stoves To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I use the gimbaled two burner Origo alcohol stove, and it works great, I put a folding camp oven on it for biskets or whatever, works fine but heats up the boat a lot not so good for summer nights. The only disadvantage is that the smell can be objectionable in a closed-in small boat like mine in winter without good ventilation, and also alcohol is more expensive, not a big deal unless you use it way more than I do. You must always use good boat stove alcohol or the cannisters will clog and heat will decrease a lot.-Ken ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:53:06 -0500 From: Ken James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] LEDs To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > He's a specialist in LEDs and > made for me a steamer/deck > combo in LEDs. It's awesome! BUT does the steaming light have the proper intensity, horizontal sectors and proper vertical coverage, and does it have no 'nulls' or dim areas between leds? There is much more to led nav lights than pointing a bunch of leds, check out http://www.firststarled.com/technical_full.html for plenty of details that would be useful for those wanting to DIY or email me with specific questions, I will try to help. firststarled.com has been in this business longer than anyone else and I am happy to pass lessons learned on to others. > > > I also have an LED anchor > light at the top of the mast. > It does look exactly like a star... > but his new ones I just saw on > another boat and they are so > much brighter and omit a very > white light (LEDs can be bluish > sometimes) that you can't mistake > for a star. It's so white and the > glow it casts simply makes it > much more effective. Warm white leds are available now that can make it look just like an old fashioned incandescent bulb if that is what you want. > > I think they run around $200 > but don't quote me on that, I've > had mine a while now. Could be > more or less? He does Tri-lights, > whatever ya want. Tri-lights are even more complex as the problem of color sector overlap could create a dangerous situation, this is a problem sure to occur unless optics or internal shielding are used even if the 'bulb' is used in a colored lens fixture! Cheap led anchor lights sell for 30 bucks US + 20$ shipping, or course you will need two or three times the solar panels or other alt energy watts to support the cheap ones for any lenght of stand alone use so you may want to spend 100$-240$ for a model that is far more efficient. The type of 'driver' or power supply used to supply electricity to the leds makes a huge difference in how efficient any led nav light will be, see the above firststar link for more details. -Ken ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:38:33 -0400 From: Lee Haefele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Bets & Alcohol Stoves To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original If you fill the canisters in place, tiny amounts of spillage will ignite, heat the canister, boil out the remaining alcohol and make a BIG fire. Ask me how I know this... ALWAYS fill the canisters outdoors. My main complaint was that the alcohol evaporated if you didn't put an additional seal over the canisters. I used a piece of inner tube rubber placed between the stove top and the canister. Lee Haefele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Bets & Alcohol Stoves >I use the gimbaled two burner Origo alcohol stove, > and it works great, I put a folding camp oven on > it for biskets or whatever, works fine but heats > up the boat a lot not so good for summer nights. > > The only disadvantage is that the smell can be > objectionable in a closed-in small boat like mine > in winter without good ventilation, and also > alcohol is more expensive, not a big deal unless > you use it way more than I do. > > You must always use good boat stove alcohol or the > cannisters will clog and heat will decrease a > lot.-Ken > > _______________________________________________ > Liveaboard mailing list > [email protected] > To adjust your membership settings over the web > http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > To search the archives > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:45:19 -0400 From: "Bob Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] LectraSan limits To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Norm, you and I have sat and had a beer together and for you to even remotely associate me with a bureaucrat makes me wonder where you were that day. If I was a bureaucrat I surely would not have been sticking my head in other peoples s**t for 30 yrs to earn a living. My point was to educate not defend. I have in the past made exactly the point that municipals cause more damage to an area even in compliance than boaters do with a straight pipe. It's simple math. If people that don't work in the business don't have the basic parameters to make intelligent, informed decisions how can we expect to have a meaningfull conversation. Bob PDQ 36 Peace -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norm of Bandersnatch Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] LectraSan limits I don't know where you are coming from but your email is spoken like a bureaucrat. "Given limits" does not mean "this is what is actually happening". We the people have had vast experience with Government promises. The truth is that government "standards" are rarely met. Ask any miner or Native American. I do not trust those in the business to tell the truth. They value their jobs and it is easy to replace people who are not "team players". One year as we were visiting Baltimore the papers were describing a multi-million gallon "leak" of raw sewerage in the Chesapeake. The "officials" said that "nature would take care of it". This happens in various places from time to time and makes me wonder just how many of these "leaks" go unreported. High grade sewage treatment plants cost big bucks and just are not glitzy enough for people or their public officials to want to spend money on them. So much easier to point to the boats anchored out and say those boat bums are pooping in the bay. It's called a Smoke Screen in the self-improvement books. Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek 30 07.695N 081 38.484W > [Original Message] > From: Bob Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 10/15/2008 5:26:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] LectraSan limits > > Municipal plants are given limits on parameters. Most ocean discharges have > 30 mg/l BOD amd 30 mg/l Suspended Solids. Others dischareing into more > sensative waters (think Chesapeake Bay)have more stringent > requirements including nutrient removal. They could be BOD 10, SS 10 > with a total nitrogen of <8 mg/l. Fecal coliform could be anywhere from 0 to 15/100 ml. > Bob > PDQ 36 > Peace > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosalie B. > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:36 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] LectraSan limits > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:28:14 -0400, you wrote: > > >These units kill pathogens but BOD( oxygen consuming organic > >material)and Suspended Solids( settle out on the coral reefs)are not > >reduced in any meaningfull way. > > > >Bob > >PDQ 36 > >Peace > > > Ask yourself - what happens to what you pump out? It goes into the > municipal system and if you are lucky they treat it for pathogens. > Any reduction of BOD?? > > The rules against Lextrasans are just not scientifically supportable. > All the buzz words in the world won't make it true. > > _______________________________________________ > Liveaboard mailing list > [email protected] > To adjust your membership settings over the web > http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > To search the archives > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > Liveaboard mailing list > [email protected] > To adjust your membership settings over the web http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html _______________________________________________ Liveaboard mailing list [email protected] To adjust your membership settings over the web http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Liveaboard mailing list [email protected] http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard End of Liveaboard Digest, Vol 14, Issue 70 ******************************************
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