On 3/21/2013 8:31 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:
Thanks for the reply, Casey,
The particular issue I have with squeak is it's issue of accessing the
Internet securely - school IT departments have an issue - they don't know
who/what/ squeak is and going through the red tape is a potential
problem. And the web-browser plugin was always a bit of an issue as well.
I don't know if anyone is working on the plugin for web browsers... but I
want to deploy for easy inclusion in a browser... or at the very least
connect to the net.
Since no one has commented, shall I assume Squeak browser plugin is a no go?
I don't usually cross-post, but I've included this msg on the Squeak-dev
ML since you advocate the use of etoys in a production environment (which
I admit I haven't actually defined what "production" means)
thanks again,
brad
On 3/21/2013 3:08 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Etoys is in real use in real schools all over the place. I use it as a
replacement for HyperCard at times myself. If you can be more specific
about what's making you nervous about Etoys, that might help folks steer
you in the right direction. If you pull up the preferences browser via
the halo on the Etoys desktop, search for etoyfriendly, and disable it,
you'll unlock the underlying Smalltalk programming environment (Squeak.)
Squeak is *definitely* production (or maybe "product") worthy.
Another system which is a bit easier to learn, but generally less
powerful, is Scratch.
Lively Kernel is a research system, so it's less likely to be "product
like" than those two if that's what you're looking for.
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Brad Fuller <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi All,
New to the list. Have several questions that Dan suggested you would
have great insight.
I'm researching better ways to help kids experientially learn (K-8
primarily but up to college is planned). I have not yet found a
platform or system better than etoys. But, etoys is not quite a
production platform. And, I would like platform/system to be
accessible everywhere. I've also contemplated deploying Django and
writing the apps in Python.
My questions: are there better alternatives? Could you offer avenues
for further research into a production system? Would the
lively-kernel be a good alternative? Or will it continue to be a
prototyping system? Could I start a demo on lively-kernel and expect
I could port it to a production environment (that is if lively-kernel
or facsimile is planned for production.)
Thanks much!
brad
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