Hi, Some answers into the text.
Le 19/08/2010 16:16, Daniel Holbach a écrit : > Am 19.08.2010 15:27, schrieb YoBoY: > > >> -> We should be able to let community sites link to the loco directory, >> too earlier now, not well translated I think. Perhaps a way to let teams >> make some loco.ubuntu-XX.org direct link, integration, make the >> different LD instance automatically share items... >> >> -> Something's wrong, no loco.ubuntu.com link in the official >> ubuntu.com site ? >> > We don't have loco.ubuntu.com as a useful site for people for very long, > but I agree that it makes sense to get it linked in a lot more places. > > Which places can you all think of? > The official Ubuntu.com first. The wiki.ubuntu.com, the LoCo teams can make links to point their upcomming events. > >> -> I think the home page should be a neutral language page. Including a >> twitter (identi.ca ?) streamline here is breaking this neutrality. >> Event's can also break this neutrality but they are just "short titles", >> so it's fine. I think also the events could be at the same level than >> the teams, teams on left, events on right. We have these two elements on >> the menu, so they have the same importance. >> > What do you mean by "neutral language page"? Make it less geeky? Explain > what LoCos are? > > Where do you think the microblog stream should be instead? I like it > very much to see what people are saying about their locoteams, so I > wouldn't really like us to get rid of it. :-) > > I mean a fully translated page. The word "LoCo" is an acronym who stand for Local Community. I know that. But my mom and a lot of people don't know that. The front page have 9 "LoCo" in it but 0 Local Community. >> -> Using acronyms in a community is pleasant and funny. Each community >> develop their own type of acronyms. But outside the community, these >> acronyms are the opposite, unpleasant "words" making harder to >> understand what we are talking about. >> > Can you suggest where we should talk about what LoCo teams are and how > to get involved? Can we file a bug for that and all try to explain it a > bit better? > > > >> I click on my continent, and can see the list of loco teams on this >> part of the world. Not funny, who the hell make this list. Some >> teams start with an ubuntu, some teams have a country name, some >> others don't have. It's a mess. Ho wait that's not all. What's that >> "Team without country" at the bottom. They are stateless ? Finding >> my team in this list is a challenge. I try the search bar. Type my >> country name. No result. >> > All Launchpad team owners and admins should go and > - visit their Launchpad team page and change the display name > of the team to "Ubuntu<Country/State/City>" (don't change the > launchpad ID of the team) > - visit their team page in loco.ubuntu.com and select the country > they are doing their lion share of good work > > Please let's all make and effort to get this right! > > > All the teams ar not "One country" based. I can't do that, change the name, for my team. >> -> We have to standardize these Loco-Team list items, and we have to put >> a small link in front of the continents to send the visitor also on the >> last list where he can perhaps find his loco team in it. My team uses >> ubuntu-fr for is name, a user who don't know the conventional >> ubuntu-XX(iso code) is lost also. But we can't change this name. Not all >> the teams have one state limited activity. It's very complex I know. >> Perhaps organising the list by country name, or placing the teams on >> continent maps. >> > Placing them on the map or splitting up the map is very hard. I suggest > we try everything else before. > > Having the countries is a big step. Perhaps just adding the country after the team name, or making some automatic filtering to mask the ubuntu and the team words where we can. >> -> I try several words on the search bar, I don't understand why >> sometime it returns a blank page, and sometimes it returns the entire >> team list page. This search bar can do search by country and team names >> I think, but something is broken. >> > Can you file a bug or tell us what you searched for and what didn't work? > > I searched for France, ubuntu-fr, catalan. The result is the same, the page don't change. > >> Before going to my Loco Team, lets see the events page. "Ubuntu LoCo >> Global Events" ? It's local or global ? Ok I see, it's more like >> type of events. This should be more explicit, it's appear more like >> the other events. Not easy to make the difference. >> > I agree. Can somebody file a bug for that and suggest a piece of text to > make it clearer. We can translate that content as well to make it more > obvious. > > > >> -> I think the Global Events should be more highlighted, with a complete >> separated presentation on the page, like a box with the name, a short >> description, the dates with a more natural form like "all the year" "the >> 27th,28th and 29th august 2010", a link "learn more...", and a link >> "show me only these events". These are special type of events, give them >> some eye-candy. >> > Sounds good to me. > > > >> It's amazing how many events are listed here. And I can search on >> country name, city name, team name, month name, but not in my own >> language. And I can see the past events. This list is even bigger. >> But it seems I can't yet filter it. >> > Searching in your language might be a bit hard to implement. Where do > you see the past events? > > > http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/history/ << the events page, the submenu have the link to it. >> -> Same localisation problem on the search field. >> >> Let see what's a global event. Great, all I need to know is here but >> in English. I can add the hashtag for twitter and identi.ca, and >> read the stream directly, it's in English but it's fine, it's a >> global event, so it's normal. But why the events are listed by >> country here. I can't see anymore the dates, and the teams >> organizing them. And why some events appear so many times? Ok, I >> know, they don't have the same date, but I can't see it. >> > A bug for adding the dates there makes sense. > > > >> -> Like I wrote before, global events should be treated differently. >> These "type" of events need to have translated content. The list of >> events under a global events should appear like the other list of events >> also. Having too much way to present the same elements is disturbing. >> And only seeing the title is more disturbing when they appear more than >> once without reason. >> >> Lets go to the Local Community team page I think it's for me, to >> know more about this community, what they do, what they offer, who I >> have to contact, where I can talk with them, where I can follow them >> on my social networks. Ok I'm on the page, reading it. Location, >> language, well I already know that. Launchpad page, Launchpad Team >> Owner, what's that, I keep that for later. Expires date, hum it's >> some kind of milk bottle ? Provides local support, yes, I don't know >> what it is but seems great. Launchpad Team Admins, another "strange >> word" field in relation to the administration. Resources, finally, >> some interesting information presented with strange icons. And to >> finish, the more interesting part, Events. Well, having to pass on >> top of the icons to know what they stand for is boring. I chose the >> first one, a link to an English wiki, on a page with more >> informations on it. This team seems great, I click on the "Join this >> team" link. Crap, this Launchpad thing again. Seems to be an account >> service, in English. Let do the registration. ok, an email, a >> validation, a password, ... what the hell, I can't join the team. >> It's restricted. But I'm on the Launchpad English thing. Overview, >> Code, Bugs, Blueprints, Translations, Answers. I go back where I >> came from seems better. >> > I like the "milk bottle". :-) > > It'd be nice to have some kind of mouse-over tooltip or explanation of > what all these items are. That could be translated as well. > > Maybe we can have a separate discussion about Launchpad LoCo teams being > restricted teams. > > Also having a bit of content about why we use Launchpad and why it might > be confusing, but why it isn't scary would help. Where would we best put > that? > > > >> -> We need to put more information accessible to the team pages, the >> icons are great but not everyone understand what it's a puzzle piece, a >> pen, a world, some text should be added. On some field, some teams need >> to add more than one entry, like in mailing lists, or irc channels. The >> official website of the team should be the first link, not just an icon. >> All the Launchpad stuff is impossible to understand when you don't know >> what it's launchpad and it's appearing 3 times. >> >> -> The systematic use of Launchpad is a big fail for me. This is not an >> account provider. This is not a localised tool. >> > I agree that it's hard to understand, but we can't move away from it. > It's what we use for shipit.ubuntu.com, for wiki.ubuntu.com and loads of > other places. Plus we use it for noting down who is member of which > team, who takes care of the team's planning, etc. > > > >> -> The join this team link should only be present when you can >> effectively join a team. >> >> -> The "Launchpad Team owner" is one of the field I dislike the most. >> Nobody can own a team. >> > Do you think we should just list them all under "team admins" and make > no distinction between admin and owner? > > > That make sense. We can already see the owner on the admins. >> -> Provides local support. Lot of teams say Yes. But what is local support ? >> > It might make sense to be able to add a link explaining where to get > that local support. > > > But what is "Local support" ? it's realy a community thing ? >> Looking the event list is great, I can search for an event near me >> to assist and meet other users. It's cool on the team detail page I >> can see the city hover the title. Let see all the events. I can't >> see the city in this list. History, same problem, no city >> information. Going to an event page to have more informations, I >> can't go back to the last page with a menu like before, the go back >> is for the events page, not the team events page where I was before. >> OK, looking at this page event, like for the team page, no link to >> social networks, very basic informations. I can go to the venue >> detail page, to see same basic informations. Same problem, I need to >> use the prev of my browser to go back, the menu link "back to the >> venues list" is not where I came from. It's strange, some people are >> registered to attend to the event. >> >> >> -> The informations presented are too basic, and having to go to 2 pages >> to have all the information of an event (the description and the >> location) is not fun. Like dedicated web page / sites, some events have >> hashtags, a social network integration like the one for the global events. >> > I have no objection on merging venue info into the event page. > > What do you suggest in terms of "social network integration"? > > The possibility to see the twitts on the event page. The facebook event link. > >> -> The venue page should provide more information, first one the >> accessibility of the venue. Transportation information could be good >> also. These information can appear or not on the event page. And where >> is the address of the venue? (it's a bug) >> >> -> A reminder to log in, or a link to register to attendance should be >> great on the top of the Attendees list if the visitor is not logged in. >> > I totally agree. We should always show the link for attending or > commenting on an event, even if folks are not logged in yet. > > > >> Ok, let see the other menu entries on the top of the window. LoCo >> Council. Seem to be the people behind the "LoCo"s. Talking about the >> members of this council, but no list, and no link to know who they >> are. Next, the classic About, this one talk about the tool, and the >> guys developing it. And finaly the log in menu. Great he want to use >> my freshly created account from Launchpad. I'm logged in. I have new >> entries on the menus. But they are not all working. I can't add an >> event. But I can now put some comments on an event and register to >> it. Great. >> >> >> -> We have to be more careful to the links we present to the users, a >> registered user can't add events, but he can see the link to do that. >> >> -> The loco council page need some work. >> > I agree, it needs work. If somebody can file a bug and provide some > content, we'd appreciate it. > > > >> That's all for today. Some of the reflections are already bug reports / >> whishes reported by others. Thanks you for reading me. >> > Merci beaucoup pour l'analyse. :-) > > Have a great day, > Daniel > > I don't have time to open the bugs tomorow but if no one can do that, i'll do it saterday. Thanks YoBoY -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
