Mark, I never the questioned the legitimacy of the recall, have I? My point is that a veto is like an ICBM, once fired you can't take it back, at least most people can't.
At 20:05 5/4/2005, Mark Womack wrote:
Again, the -1 votes were for the recall of the 1.2.10 release which was not done according to the bylaws for which we are obligated to the ASF board. It was not done against the concept of doing an implementation of slf4j in log4j on the 1.2 code base. I don't know how any of us can make that any more plain. If you think I have some hidden agenda, then you know my subconscious mind better than I do.
Yes, there are some questions of timing of an "official" slf4j implementation in log4j being released, and those did contribute to the -1 votes. I think (this is my opinion, there is no binding vote) that once we see something more concrete and stable from the slf4j side then we will all be more comfortable doing the official release. Until then, there is nothing wrong with doing an official experimental release. Maybe I am optimistic, but that is the way I see it.
-Mark
> -----Original Message----- > From: Ceki G�lc� [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:33 AM > To: Log4J Developers List > Subject: RE: [VOTE] Tag the CVS for 1.2.10 and revert the slf4j related > changes on 1.2 branch > > > > > I am less optimistic than you. In my experience, once cast, many > committers albeit not all, would first drink lethal poison before > reverting their -1 vote. Whatever the reasons given today, those who > cast -1 votes will continue to do so under various pretexts, which may > be justified, unjustified, honest, disguised or otherwise. In short, > it is practically impossible for a rejected proposal to get > subsequently accepted. In any case, I won't be presenting a > proposal. Now if a heroic soul wishes to try, I wish them all the luck > in the world. > > At 19:03 5/4/2005, Mark Womack wrote: > >Ceki, > > > >Are you saying that there is no longer any interest to support slf4j in > >log4j? I don't speak for you, but I know I am still interested in it. > It > >sounds like others are as well. Depending on the timeframes for slf4j > and > >the (currently numbered) v1.3 version of log4j, releasing something on > the > >1.2.X code base can still make a lot of sense. The recall of the 1.2.10 > >version has never been about WHETHER to do a slf4j version. It has been > >about WHEN to do it. There are some questions on HOW, but those can be > >hashed out. Anyway, the repository will be set up for whatever is > decided. > >It is up to people to choose to do it. > > > >v1.2.10 was recalled, so removing the binaries is appropriate. I'd > prefer > >that folks not be able to get their hands on it. Again, if we want to > >release an appropriately marked "experimental" version (I don't know what > >phrase you want to use here), we can. All it takes is a vote. > > > >-Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ceki G�lc� [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:48 AM > > > To: Log4J Developers List > > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Tag the CVS for 1.2.10 and revert the slf4j > related > > > changes on 1.2 branch > > > > > > At 16:48 5/4/2005, Jacob Kjome wrote: > > > > > > >I like Mark's proposal. +1. > > > > > > Thanks Mark, Jake. I appreciate the significance of the gesture but > > > probably no one will follow through with the idea, although I might be > > > wrong. Curt has already removed the log4j-1.2.10 binary files from the > > > server. I am not sure he asked or informed anyone but that's a > different > > > mater. > > > > > > >Jake > > > > > > -- > > > Ceki G�lc� > > > > > > The complete log4j manual: http://www.qos.ch/log4j/ > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Ceki G�lc� > > The complete log4j manual: http://www.qos.ch/log4j/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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