If you've got a good idea on how to do it, sure.

On 4 May 2014 14:04, Bruce Brouwer <bruce.brou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't spent much time on this since my initial attempt on 609. Shall I
> leave it to Ralph to come up with the final solution, or would you like me
> to try?
> On May 4, 2014 2:35 PM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks like there's nothing to synchronise on actually. Guess you can just
>> cache them before the check in general.
>>
>>
>> On 4 May 2014 13:25, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh phew. Well, I'll leave that to you if you wanted to continue what you
>>> were working on. All I added was a check on close() to compare against the
>>> current System.out and System.err. I'll take a look into OpenJDK to see how
>>> to properly lock those (if possible) to prevent fun race conditions.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 May 2014 13:11, Ralph Goers <rgo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, it can be simpler than that.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is starting to sound like we need a full-blown
>>>> factory/context/logger implementation of StatusLogger.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4 May 2014 12:46, Ralph Goers <rgo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, that doesn't solve the case Remko mentioned of multiple web apps
>>>>> writing to a single file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So how about adding a check at construction checking against
>>>>> System.out and System.err? Really, once you start messing with those
>>>>> streams, you can't be sure they'll ever be closed until the JVM stops or
>>>>> you manually close it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4 May 2014 09:36, Ralph Goers <rgo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I see two choices here - maintain a use count or just let the OS
>>>>>> close the files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second would be pretty easy to do once we move the web stuff to
>>>>>> its own module as it can add a property that the console Appender would
>>>>>> look for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first option is probably better if it could be made to work
>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 4, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Bruce Brouwer <bruce.brou...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is what I was starting to investigate with LOG4J2-609.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think this is quite there yet. For one, in
>>>>>> StatusConsoleListener.close(), System.out and System.err can change over
>>>>>> time, so doing the != check might still close something that at one time
>>>>>> was System.out but no longer is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, a StatusConsoleListener is shared among different
>>>>>> JSONConfiguration and XMLConfiguration instances (think about multiple 
>>>>>> WARs
>>>>>> in a Tomcat instance where log4j is in Tomcat's shared lib directory). If
>>>>>> we undeployed one of those WARs, it would shutdown the
>>>>>> StatusConsoleListener that was shared with the other WAR deployments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also think about where some of these WARs wanted to use System.out
>>>>>> and others want to use a log file for status logging. Because of the way
>>>>>> these shared loggers are found, only the first StatusConsoleListener
>>>>>> registered would actually take effect. So sometimes when you start 
>>>>>> Tomcat,
>>>>>> status logs go to System.out, other times they go to a log file. I'd hate
>>>>>> having to debug that one if I didn't know about this issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an idea of how to address this, but it unfortunately isn't as
>>>>>> simple as closing the StatusConsoleListener.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hooray, we've finally figured out the bug. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3 May 2014 19:49, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just updated from SVN and all tests now pass.
>>>>>>>> The build works now. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just fixed it in r1592291 haha
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2014 17:54, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. It cause them to close. Anything written to System.out or
>>>>>>>>>> System.err will fail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does closing them do anything?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2014 17:10, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we need a StatusFileListerner when writing to a file?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>>>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> System.out or System.err should never be closed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've implemented Closeable on StatusListener in r1592258. Please
>>>>>>>>>>> try out the unit tests again and let me know if this solves the 
>>>>>>>>>>> issue on
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2014 12:30, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is actually a bug. StatusListener should implement
>>>>>>>>>>>> Closeable, and when the listeners are cleared, it should loop 
>>>>>>>>>>>> through and
>>>>>>>>>>>> close them before clearing the list of listeners. Otherwise, files 
>>>>>>>>>>>> can stay
>>>>>>>>>>>> opened and Windows still hasn't figured out how to handle that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2014 11:22, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, commenting out that test to verify my changes was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what I was doing now... :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and if you are trying to do some work just comment out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the @Test of the failing test - but don’t commit that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That happens because the file is still being referenced by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something when it is trying to delete it.  It should be because 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the file is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open but I recall reading that Windows sometimes holds on to file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> references longer than it should.  This was probably caused by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the changes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt made to the unit test framework a month or so ago.  I will 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring up my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows VM and take a look at it this afternoon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Remko Popma <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, windows 7.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FileOutputTest was failing for me last week and I thought I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed it. But it was failing because the file was empty, not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn’t be deleted. I guess you must be running on Windows?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Remko Popma <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > When I run mvn clean install, I get this problem:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Failed tests:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >   FileOutputTest.testConfig Could not delete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> target\status.log, last modifed 14/05/04 0:27
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > FileOutputTest has a "CleanFiles" rule that seems to fail:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     public RuleChain rules = RuleChain.outerRule(new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CleanFiles(STATUS_LOG)).around(new 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> InitialLoggerContext(CONFIG));
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > How do I fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Remko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Bruce Brouwer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
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