I was hoping to hear from Ralph as it sounds like he already started
something.
On May 4, 2014 3:22 PM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you've got a good idea on how to do it, sure.
>
>
> On 4 May 2014 14:04, Bruce Brouwer <bruce.brou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't spent much time on this since my initial attempt on 609. Shall
>> I leave it to Ralph to come up with the final solution, or would you like
>> me to try?
>>  On May 4, 2014 2:35 PM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like there's nothing to synchronise on actually. Guess you can
>>> just cache them before the check in general.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 May 2014 13:25, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh phew. Well, I'll leave that to you if you wanted to continue what
>>>> you were working on. All I added was a check on close() to compare against
>>>> the current System.out and System.err. I'll take a look into OpenJDK to see
>>>> how to properly lock those (if possible) to prevent fun race conditions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4 May 2014 13:11, Ralph Goers <rgo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, it can be simpler than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is starting to sound like we need a full-blown
>>>>> factory/context/logger implementation of StatusLogger.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4 May 2014 12:46, Ralph Goers <rgo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, that doesn't solve the case Remko mentioned of multiple web
>>>>>> apps writing to a single file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 4, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how about adding a check at construction checking against
>>>>>> System.out and System.err? Really, once you start messing with those
>>>>>> streams, you can't be sure they'll ever be closed until the JVM stops or
>>>>>> you manually close it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4 May 2014 09:36, Ralph Goers <rgo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see two choices here - maintain a use count or just let the OS
>>>>>>> close the files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The second would be pretty easy to do once we move the web stuff to
>>>>>>> its own module as it can add a property that the console Appender would
>>>>>>> look for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first option is probably better if it could be made to work
>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 4, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Bruce Brouwer <bruce.brou...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is what I was starting to investigate with LOG4J2-609.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think this is quite there yet. For one, in
>>>>>>> StatusConsoleListener.close(), System.out and System.err can change over
>>>>>>> time, so doing the != check might still close something that at one time
>>>>>>> was System.out but no longer is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, a StatusConsoleListener is shared among different
>>>>>>> JSONConfiguration and XMLConfiguration instances (think about multiple 
>>>>>>> WARs
>>>>>>> in a Tomcat instance where log4j is in Tomcat's shared lib directory). 
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> we undeployed one of those WARs, it would shutdown the
>>>>>>> StatusConsoleListener that was shared with the other WAR deployments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also think about where some of these WARs wanted to use System.out
>>>>>>> and others want to use a log file for status logging. Because of the way
>>>>>>> these shared loggers are found, only the first StatusConsoleListener
>>>>>>> registered would actually take effect. So sometimes when you start 
>>>>>>> Tomcat,
>>>>>>> status logs go to System.out, other times they go to a log file. I'd 
>>>>>>> hate
>>>>>>> having to debug that one if I didn't know about this issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an idea of how to address this, but it unfortunately isn't as
>>>>>>> simple as closing the StatusConsoleListener.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hooray, we've finally figured out the bug. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2014 19:49, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just updated from SVN and all tests now pass.
>>>>>>>>> The build works now. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just fixed it in r1592291 haha
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2014 17:54, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. It cause them to close. Anything written to System.out or
>>>>>>>>>>> System.err will fail.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does closing them do anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2014 17:10, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we need a StatusFileListerner when writing to a file?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> System.out or System.err should never be closed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've implemented Closeable on StatusListener in r1592258.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please try out the unit tests again and let me know if this solves 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> issue on Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2014 12:30, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is actually a bug. StatusListener should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement Closeable, and when the listeners are cleared, it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should loop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through and close them before clearing the list of listeners. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> files can stay opened and Windows still hasn't figured out how to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2014 11:22, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, commenting out that test to verify my changes was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what I was doing now... :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and if you are trying to do some work just comment out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the @Test of the failing test - but don’t commit that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That happens because the file is still being referenced by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something when it is trying to delete it.  It should be because 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the file is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open but I recall reading that Windows sometimes holds on to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> references longer than it should.  This was probably caused by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the changes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt made to the unit test framework a month or so ago.  I will 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring up my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows VM and take a look at it this afternoon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Remko Popma <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, windows 7.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FileOutputTest was failing for me last week and I thought I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed it. But it was failing because the file was empty, not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn’t be deleted. I guess you must be running on Windows?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Remko Popma <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > When I run mvn clean install, I get this problem:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Failed tests:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >   FileOutputTest.testConfig Could not delete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> target\status.log, last modifed 14/05/04 0:27
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > FileOutputTest has a "CleanFiles" rule that seems to fail:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >     public RuleChain rules = RuleChain.outerRule(new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CleanFiles(STATUS_LOG)).around(new 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> InitialLoggerContext(CONFIG));
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > How do I fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Remko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bruce Brouwer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
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