Without actually experimenting, I was thinking it might be difficult to
make the full auto solution robust in all scenarios, so having an interface
where users can completely determine their own mapping (option #2) is
probably very nice to have.

Option #3 may be ideal (but the level mapper still needs to deal with the
exceptional case where the code uses a custom level that is not defined in
the config.)

On Wednesday, September 10, 2014, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:

> So far, I've implemented choice #2 to some extent.
>
> On 9 September 2014 23:47, Ralph Goers <[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>
>> If I was implementing this I would take a custom JUL level and map it to
>> the appropriate predefined JUL level.  That would then map to a Log4j level.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Remko Popma <[email protected]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 10, 2014, Matt Sicker <[email protected]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>
>>> There's actually a bit of an interesting challenge in converting from a
>>> custom level in JUL to Log4j. JUL allows you to use any integer value
>>> possible (not just non-negative ones). Also, their progression of level
>>> values goes in reverse of ours. Thus, any level above 1000 (Level.SEVERE in
>>> JUL) would need to be squeezed into the range of 1 to 99! Plus,
>>> Integer.MAX_VALUE indicates StandardLevel.ALL, but Level.OFF in JUL. Then
>>> there'd be the other way around, too.
>>>
>>>  Darn! That makes things tricky indeed...
>> Just throwing out some thoughts:
>>
>> 1. Full auto: We could have some mapping logic that converts the custom
>> JUL int level to a log4j int that is between the mapped built-in levels.
>> (TBD: how to avoid collisions if multiple custom levels are defined between
>> built-in levels?)
>>
>> 2. Semi-auto: we define an interface that converts JUL levels to Log4j
>> levels. We provide a default impl for the built-in levels. Users need to
>> provide their own impl (or extend ours?) if they have custom JUL levels.
>> (TBD: how does our default impl handle undefined custom JUL levels?)
>>
>> 3. Config only: this depends on
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-589
>> Custom log4j levels are defined in configuration. The log4j config file
>> is loaded first, so the JUL bridge can convert custom levels using the name
>> only. It can completely ignore the JUL int level.
>>
>> 4.  Easiest: we (initially) don't support custom JUL levels. Unknown
>> levels are converted to some ad hoc log4j level. Let's say, INFO, but we
>> can decide to use any level.
>>
>>
>>
>>> As to those fields, I think we can probably drop them. LogRecord
>>> dynamically calculates them from the Throwable stacktrace if necessary. We
>>> do it faster.
>>>
>>
>> Phew!
>>
>>>
>>> On 9 September 2014 22:07, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What about the logp, entering, exiting, and throwing methods which all
>>>> take a source class name and a source method name? Just ignore them?
>>>>
>>>> On 9 September 2014 21:40, Remko Popma <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My take would be to drop the seqNo and threadID integer, and for
>>>>> level, check if its a built-in JUL level which can be translated to a
>>>>> built-in log4j level. If it's not a built-in JUL level we can do a log4j
>>>>> Level.forName() call to create that custom level in log4j as well.
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2014/09/10, at 11:07, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm actually thinking of some sort of LogRecordMessage or similar
>>>>> which takes a useful subset of LogRecord.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9 September 2014 21:01, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got ranges in place to map to standard levels, but custom level
>>>>>> support is currently done through the MDC. Should I use a MapMessage
>>>>>> instead? Make a new Message type just for log4j-jul? There's metadata in
>>>>>> some of these Logger methods that I'd like to include, but if the MDC 
>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>> the best way to do that, then I'd prefer another way. I noticed that
>>>>>> pax-logging does this for every log event to include some metadata about
>>>>>> the OSGi bundle that made the log call, so I kept up the style.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the static field, yes, I noticed that, too. It's only for a
>>>>>> sequence number, and we have our own (better) way of doing that with
>>>>>> on-demand sequencing (and using the AtomicXxx classes indeed) anyways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 20:39, Remko Popma <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fro a performance point of view, it would be great if we could avoid
>>>>>>> creating LogRecord instances. Not just from a GC perspective, but in 
>>>>>>> java6
>>>>>>> the LogRecord constructor synchronizes on a static variable(!): big
>>>>>>> bottleneck. This is improved (using AtomicXxx) in java7.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also would great if we can avoid using the ThreadContext MDC for
>>>>>>> every log event. (Its copy-on-write design is not a good match for this
>>>>>>> usage...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would there be a way to map custom JUL log levels to custom Log4j
>>>>>>> levels?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2014/09/10, at 10:20, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, now that I look at it, I can just use an inner class with
>>>>>>> ExtendedLoggerWrapper to get at those protected methods I mentioned. I
>>>>>>> mean, that appears to be the point of it! Let me see if it does 
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>> I needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 20:08, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that I'm looking at this, what's the point of all the methods
>>>>>>>> that take a FQCN instead of having just the ones in ExtendedLogger? 
>>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>>> sure why we didn't just use a field in AbstractLogger in the first 
>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 19:14, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm making some changes to log4j-jul to reduce redundant time
>>>>>>>>> spent constructing a LogRecord that I don't even want to use most of 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> time. However, the ExtendedLogger interface (which I need to use at 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> very least so that I can set the fqcn to java.util.logging.Logger) 
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> provides a single version of logMessage (unlike AbstractLogger which 
>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>> bunch), and several methods like catching(), throwing(), etc., all 
>>>>>>>>> depend
>>>>>>>>> on protected methods in AbstractLogger that I'd rather not 
>>>>>>>>> re-implement. It
>>>>>>>>> would be nice if I could just call the Logger methods I need, but 
>>>>>>>>> they all
>>>>>>>>> get called with the wrong fqcn.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can we use a non-static final field that contains the fqcn? If I
>>>>>>>>> could, I'd extend AbstractLogger myself, but I already have to extend 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> JUL Logger class (should have been an interface, grrr). Thus, I can't 
>>>>>>>>> rely
>>>>>>>>> on AbstractLogger being the source of all these method calls. Unlike 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> other adapters, JUL provides more various logger calls than we even 
>>>>>>>>> have,
>>>>>>>>> and I don't think ExtendedLogger was written with this scenario in 
>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think this should be too large an impact of a change. I'm
>>>>>>>>> going to push up a proposal, but feel free to veto it or offer some
>>>>>>>>> suggestions!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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