On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:10 AM, tijlan <jbotij...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/11/2 Jorge Llambías <jjllamb...@gmail.com>: >> >> "co'i sipna" is the event as a whole. "mo'u sipna" is just the point >> at which the event is completed. > > But the dictionary defines "co'i" as "point event".
Yes, it means the event as one whole thing, without any regard to its development. Any event can be seen as a point if you look at it from far enough away. > In my view, if i mo'u sipna, i finish sleeping, not including the > aftermath state. No confusion there. "sipna" is not the ideal example to show how "mo'u" works, because sleeping is not something that has a natural ending point. "mo'u sipna" indicates the point at which the sleeping is completed. It only makes sense when you can think of sleeping as something that can be completed. > The problem is the other one. If > i co'i sipna, i achieve the state of sleeping. What does that mean? It probably means you slept, or you will sleep. It's unlikely that "co'i" will be used about the present because if you are sleeping now, then the event is not seen as a point, you are in the midst of it, so you would say "ca'o sipna". > Let's say i sleep from 0:00AM to 7:00AM. The whole 7 hours represent > the state of sleeping. Do i achieve it at 0AM or 7AM or throughout > 0-7AM or after the ending point 7AM (i.e. the beginning of ba'o as a > point)? I would say "do co'i sipna co'a li nopi'enono co'u li zepi'enono", "you slept from 0:00 to 7:00". mu'o mi'e xorxes
