On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:02:52PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> > "If God created the universe, who created God?"
> > 
> 
> That's one of the more interesting questions. The medieval theologians 
> charactarised God as the 'prime mover', i.e. the first in a causal chain 
> of events. It's not unreasonable to suppose that there was an initial 
> cause - after all, infinite series can still have beginnings and ends. You 
> quickly end up in a not-at-all religious discussion of what constitutes 
> 'an event', and other metaphysical topics that are very much in the domain 
> of analytical western philosophy and logic and not really much to do with 
> the God of the bible, if you like.

yes, the question is a problem if you've been saying that everything
must have an (external) cause, or that anything as
wonderful/intricate/... as $WONDERFUL_THING must have an (external)
cause; but not a problem for a 'prime mover' theory.  i'm suspicious of
a 'prime mover' concept, because it seems to bear very little
resemblance to a cause in the everyday sense of the word, which leaves a
lot of work that needs doing to show that the concept is explanatory, or
even meaningful.

> None the less, there is more cross-over between the domains than is 
> popularly imagined. In particular the early Christian theologians took a 
> very rigorous and logical approach to their discussions.

semantics is everything.

> Jon, who rarely gets to talk about medeival phiosophy any more....

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