On 4 Dec 2008, at 16:28, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

2008/12/4 Simon Wilcox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
David Cantrell wrote:

And no, setting up yet another blog aggregator or yet another obscure
site that occasionally publishes an article, those don't count.
perlbuzz's existence hasn't fixed any problems.


Yeah but from what I'm reading between the lines part of the problem
at least is that we are blogging and promoting inwardly on these kind
of sites in the first place, we put in a lot of effort to talk to
ourselves when we should be talking to the people who don't already
read those sites: people shouldn't be blogging about Perl on use.perl
they should be blogging about it elsewhere.

And this is a sentiment made by Andy (one of the people behind PerlBuzz)
in one of the articles on PerlBuzz,

  http://perlbuzz.com/2008/05/perl-decentralize-diversify-colonize.html

Personally, I don't think good Perl programmers have ever been just 'Perl programmers', they've been sysadmins, DBA's or functional and yet pragmatic programmers who have stumbled into Perl and often stuck around for one reason or another. Maybe they just were lazy and liked CPAN, or else they liked the
people in the community.

And I don't think the language matters as much as the spirit. But if the language is a vehicle for the spirit, then the way to promote it is by doing things that are outwardly facing. And by doing things I don't mean blogging about another internal (to Perl) module that is useful within Perl programming, I mean something that makes other technical and non-technical business/academic groups take notice.

And this activity should be focused on the task at hand, not the publicity. There are ideas that can be help with the publicity; perhaps a tag on use perl blogs to indicate it's externally interesting or a clearing house for articles; leaving PerlBuzz and the use.perl frontpage to do the rest. But the key is to look outward and do
interesting stuff.

G.






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