THERE ARE MORE PROBLEMS TO BE TAKEN CARE OFF. *RELIGION IS YOUR AND OUR AND
MINE PERSONAL  AFFAIR.* PLEASE WRITE CONCISE AND PRECISE, WE CAN GET NOTHING
OUT OF LONG DEBATES.


On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:51 AM, rehan altaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear Sabahat Muhammad,
>
> What debate are you talking about? Have we forgotten words of our Beloved
> Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). He clearly stated "kum-o-besh" (more
> or less) "Namaz is the thandak of my eyes" & "Islam has 5 pillars: (Correct
> me if I am wrong) These duties are 
> Shahadah<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahadah>(profession of faith),
> Salat <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salat> (ritual prayer), 
> Zakat<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat>(alms giving),
> Sawm <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawm> (fasting during 
> Ramadhan<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadhan>),
> and Hajj <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj> (pilgrimage to 
> Mecca<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca>
> )".
>
> If we cling, hold & embrace tightly on these 5 pillars, salvation will come
> sooner than we think.
>
> As per you "The answer is not so simple as praying and getting rid of
> interest from our banks". Prayer "NAMAZ" is the second MOST IMPORTANT
> pillar of our Great Religion. How can you (being a Muslim) ignore this? As
> per the INTEREST-SOOD/RIBA goes, Allah says in Quran:
> MEANING: "Those who involve (give or take) in Riba are at WAR with me
> (ALLAH)".
> Our Beloved Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) stated "kum-o-besh" (more
> or less): Involving in Riba means having intercourse with you own mother
> 70 times! Now how can you ignore this? After reading this, are you ok with
> the idea of INTEREST "RIBA" as being.
>
> Yes my brother, it really is that simple to get rid of these. As far as
> rejecting technology is concerned, I agree with you. But we need to remember
> that it were Muslim scientist who invented first mechanical watch &
> pioneered Mathematics & Medicine. I don't call that era a Golden Age as The
> Golden Age was when our Beloved Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) was
> alive.
>
> Our basic mistake in our own Muslim countries was that we turned a blind
> eye on our Masjids. We allowed Imam's & Moazan's who were not Mufti's &
> Aalim's respectively. Mufti is some one who is qualified enough to give
> Fatwa. An Aalim becomes a Mufti after atleast a practice of 3years under
> supervision of senior Mufti's.
>
> In order to do clean at our Grass Root level, we need to empower genuine
> Aalim's & Mufti's & appoint them as Imam's of ourMasjid's.
>
> Dear Readers, forgive me for some of the harsh statements in this mail. But
> truth is never sweet.
>
> Best regards,
> SRA
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sabahat Muhammad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:45:22 PM
> Subject: [ankahi:894] Re: solutionS
>
>  "Our decay as society started the day we(Muslims) indulged ourselves in
> the comforts of this world"
>
>
>
> Actually, the downfall of Muslims was not that we indulged, but that we
> stopped evolving. We stopped learning, we stopped growing, both in this
> world and in our religion. We closed the doors of "Ijtehad' and shunned all
> new technologies that were not created by Muslims. That was a thousand years
> ago. Muslims refused to acknowledge the value of paper, of printing, or any
> of the innovations that grew from non-Muslims. Instead, we embraced
> gunpowder and weapons of war. In every way possible, we are behind the rest
> of the world and we are continuing to look backwards instead of forwards. In
> over a 1000 years, no Muslim can be said to have invented a single thing –
> this from a people that once ruled the world!
>
>
>
> The answer is not so simple as praying and getting rid of interest from our
> banks. Those are surface rituals and traditions that this country has used
> for decades to present the face of Islam, and not the real depth of this
> great religion (where is simplicity, honesty, kindness, fairness, tolerance
> and understanding? Of all the things we learn from our Prophet, we only
> remember his clothes, his beard and his adherence to prayer!).
>
>
>
> The answer lies in serious debate of what it means to be a Muslim in the 21
> st Century. This takes courage, and may even result in bloodshed, but that
> is happening anyway, and by a force that is using a version of Islam that is
> distorted beyond understanding. Islam was never meant to be only studied by
> priests (which our Mullahs have succeeded in doing – we should admit that we
> have a hand in creating our own priesthood), but was a guide for every
> individual. Questioning the diktats of these Mullahs and their peculiar
> interpretation of Islam is not a sin, and we need to realize that we too are
> capable of understanding and joining the debate. We all have a brain. Why
> aren't we using it?
>
> *  *
>
> *Sabahat*
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *rehan altaf
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:09 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Cc:* Syed
> *Subject:* [ankahi:892] Re: solutionS
>
>
>
>
> Dear Brother Asim & respected Umma,
>
> I would like to take some minutes of your valuable time. Please bare with
> me & read this complete mail & do ponder what this unlearned brother of
> yours have written.
>
> We need to take this as a case.
>
> *The question:* Whats the Solution? *Current Scenario:* All Muslims are in
> great perils & in great Financial Debt to Non Muslims.
>
> *Whats the Solution?*
>
> You & we all talk & ask about SOLUTIONS. WHY ASK? This SITUATION was told &
> SOLUTIONS were given to us by our beloved Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon
> Him) some 1400 years ago.
>
> *We were told that "more or less" 'Non Muslims will never be your(Muslims)
> friends'. *
>
> *"How it all STARTED"? *Our decay as society started the day we(Muslims)
> indulged ourselves in the comforts of this world This started right after
> the end of the real Khilafat (Khalifat that was run by the Sahabi's-the
> Followers who saw & learned directly from Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon
> Him).
>
> *The SOLUTION in some basic steps:*
> I am sure we "including myself" do not have the time to learn the complete
> real teachings of our beloved Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon Him). All we
> need to do is:
>
>    1. Get rid (RIBA-sood) of all loans from every bank (as quickly as
>    possible) - We all know *how *in Quran & Hadiths (Ahadees) is sood
>    explained
>    2. Get rid of all Credit Cards (which we consider to be such a big
>    Status Symbol)
>    3. Start Namaz in Masjids
>    4. Read Quran with the easiest translations
>
> Inshallah, Allah will be merciful & get us out of this unfortunate
> situation that we have placed ourselves in.
>
> *The MOST renouned Claims & Teachings of Non Muslim Scholors:*
>
>    - When Islam was spreading fast before & after the seige of Tatari's
>    (Mongols), Christian & Jew Priests declared/encouraged all to cling to 
> their
>    Basic Believes & Fundamentals! Now we(Muslims) are called FUNDAMENTALISTS
>    when we ask our Umma to stick to our Fundamentals
>    - One more example & a very renowned phrase "How to enslave a society?
>    Destroy its basic/grass root level Education System (look at our's) & place
>    "Fikr-e-maash" (financial instability) in it - Look at our day to day
>    financial situation?
>
> My brethren, time & again (Quran & Hadiths) have guided us towards Jihad.
> Jihad doesn't only mean kill & be killed by non Muslims. Jihad has many
> levels. *Lowest level is to voice aloud the truth.* Salvation may come to
> us if & when we spare even 1 Rupee to the real cause. Now whats the real
> cause? Finding one is also Jihad.
>
> Thank you for your time & best regards,
> Syed Rehan Altaf.
>
>  ----- Original Message ----
> From: Asim Shehzad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]; Faisal Qureshi <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:53:30 AM
> Subject: [ankahi:888] solutionS
>
> Faisal Bhai
>
> You have done fantastic programs. I believe we have had enough of talk
> shows by all of you, wonderful anchors. Now please focus your programs on
> *SOLUTIONS*.  No body is talking about *SOLUTIONS*. Still you can sell
> your program by suggesting *SOLUTIONS*
> Give us *SOLUTIONS*
>
>
> REGARDS
>
>
> ASIM
>
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