Please you all , look for solutions for problems. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Sabahat Muhammad < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rehan, > > > > Here begins the debate. > > > > The 5 pillars of Islam (which is a debate in itself – I was taught the 5 > pillars include Jihad, not 'Shahadah', which is the foundation on which > these pillars stand – I was taught this in Saudi Arabia, where I went to > school in my formative years), while essential to our role as Muslims, no > longer offer meaning to the average person – they are compromised by careful > distinctions made in the meaning of Islam, and by a gradual acceptance of > wrong as right. > > > > Remember that the talib of Lal Masjid too believed in their own > righteousness. They all prayed, and I am sure they were careful to perform > all of the pillars in the spirit in which they were intended. And because > they did, they believed that they were good, and everyone around them was > bad. They ended up violating the religion far more than their victims (read > http://www.imedia-emagine.com/whisk/cast-ye-doubt-on-my-faith/ for the > viciousness of their own actions). > > > > Pakistanis are intolerant and crooked for a reason: we believe in our own > infallibility, and never question what we are taught. Let us recognize that > what we are taught is not necessarily the right thing just because it comes > with the tag of Islam. If it was, then you too should believe that suicide > bombings are justified and that building 9 mosques will buy you a palace in > paradise, and that every time you perform Hajj, even your murders are wiped > clean from your slate. How naïve can you get? > > > > Sabahat. > > > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *rehan altaf > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:52 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Syed > *Subject:* [ankahi:899] Re: solutionS > > > > Dear Sabahat Muhammad, > > What debate are you talking about? Have we forgotten words of our Beloved > Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). He clearly stated "kum-o-besh" (more > or less) "Namaz is the thandak of my eyes" & "Islam has 5 pillars: (Correct > me if I am wrong) These duties are > Shahadah<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahadah>(profession of faith), > Salat <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salat> (ritual prayer), > Zakat<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat>(alms giving), > Sawm <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawm> (fasting during > Ramadhan<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadhan>), > and Hajj <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj> (pilgrimage to > Mecca<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca> > )". > > If we cling, hold & embrace tightly on these 5 pillars, salvation will come > sooner than we think. > > As per you "The answer is not so simple as praying and getting rid of > interest from our banks". Prayer "NAMAZ" is the second MOST IMPORTANT > pillar of our Great Religion. How can you (being a Muslim) ignore this? As > per the INTEREST-SOOD/RIBA goes, Allah says in Quran: > *MEANING:* *"Those who involve (give or take) in Riba are at WAR with me > (ALLAH)"*. > Our Beloved Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) stated "kum-o-besh" (more > or less): *Involving in Riba means having intercourse with you own mother > 70 times!* Now how can you ignore this? After reading this, are you ok > with the idea of INTEREST "RIBA" as being. > > Yes my brother, it really is that simple to get rid of these. As far as > rejecting technology is concerned, I agree with you. But we need to remember > that it were Muslim scientist who invented first mechanical watch & > pioneered Mathematics & Medicine. I don't call that era a Golden Age as The > Golden Age was when our Beloved Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) was > alive. > > Our basic mistake in our own Muslim countries was that we turned a blind > eye on our Masjids. We allowed Imam's & Moazan's who were not Mufti's & > Aalim's respectively. Mufti is some one who is qualified enough to give > Fatwa. An Aalim becomes a Mufti after atleast a practice of 3years under > supervision of senior Mufti's. > > In order to do clean at our Grass Root level, we need to empower genuine > Aalim's & Mufti's & appoint them as Imam's of ourMasjid's. > > Dear Readers, forgive me for some of the harsh statements in this mail. But > truth is never sweet. > > Best regards, > SRA > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sabahat Muhammad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:45:22 PM > Subject: [ankahi:894] Re: solutionS > > "Our decay as society started the day we(Muslims) indulged ourselves in > the comforts of this world" > > > > Actually, the downfall of Muslims was not that we indulged, but that we > stopped evolving. We stopped learning, we stopped growing, both in this > world and in our religion. We closed the doors of "Ijtehad' and shunned all > new technologies that were not created by Muslims. That was a thousand years > ago. Muslims refused to acknowledge the value of paper, of printing, or any > of the innovations that grew from non-Muslims. Instead, we embraced > gunpowder and weapons of war. In every way possible, we are behind the rest > of the world and we are continuing to look backwards instead of forwards. In > over a 1000 years, no Muslim can be said to have invented a single thing – > this from a people that once ruled the world! > > > > The answer is not so simple as praying and getting rid of interest from our > banks. Those are surface rituals and traditions that this country has used > for decades to present the face of Islam, and not the real depth of this > great religion (where is simplicity, honesty, kindness, fairness, tolerance > and understanding? Of all the things we learn from our Prophet, we only > remember his clothes, his beard and his adherence to prayer!). > > > > The answer lies in serious debate of what it means to be a Muslim in the 21 > st Century. This takes courage, and may even result in bloodshed, but that > is happening anyway, and by a force that is using a version of Islam that is > distorted beyond understanding. Islam was never meant to be only studied by > priests (which our Mullahs have succeeded in doing – we should admit that we > have a hand in creating our own priesthood), but was a guide for every > individual. Questioning the diktats of these Mullahs and their peculiar > interpretation of Islam is not a sin, and we need to realize that we too are > capable of understanding and joining the debate. We all have a brain. Why > aren't we using it? > > * * > > *Sabahat* > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *rehan altaf > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:09 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Syed > *Subject:* [ankahi:892] Re: solutionS > > > > > Dear Brother Asim & respected Umma, > > I would like to take some minutes of your valuable time. Please bare with > me & read this complete mail & do ponder what this unlearned brother of > yours have written. > > We need to take this as a case. > > *The question:* Whats the Solution? *Current Scenario:* All Muslims are in > great perils & in great Financial Debt to Non Muslims. > > *Whats the Solution?* > > You & we all talk & ask about SOLUTIONS. WHY ASK? This SITUATION was told & > SOLUTIONS were given to us by our beloved Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon > Him) some 1400 years ago. > > *We were told that "more or less" 'Non Muslims will never be your(Muslims) > friends'. * > > *"How it all STARTED"? *Our decay as society started the day we(Muslims) > indulged ourselves in the comforts of this world This started right after > the end of the real Khilafat (Khalifat that was run by the Sahabi's-the > Followers who saw & learned directly from Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon > Him). > > *The SOLUTION in some basic steps:* > I am sure we "including myself" do not have the time to learn the complete > real teachings of our beloved Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon Him). All we > need to do is: > > 1. Get rid (RIBA-sood) of all loans from every bank (as quickly as > possible) - We all know *how *in Quran & Hadiths (Ahadees) is sood > explained > 2. Get rid of all Credit Cards (which we consider to be such a big > Status Symbol) > 3. Start Namaz in Masjids > 4. Read Quran with the easiest translations > > Inshallah, Allah will be merciful & get us out of this unfortunate > situation that we have placed ourselves in. > > *The MOST renouned Claims & Teachings of Non Muslim Scholors:* > > - When Islam was spreading fast before & after the seige of Tatari's > (Mongols), Christian & Jew Priests declared/encouraged all to cling to > their > Basic Believes & Fundamentals! Now we(Muslims) are called FUNDAMENTALISTS > when we ask our Umma to stick to our Fundamentals > - One more example & a very renowned phrase "How to enslave a society? > Destroy its basic/grass root level Education System (look at our's) & place > "Fikr-e-maash" (financial instability) in it - Look at our day to day > financial situation? > > My brethren, time & again (Quran & Hadiths) have guided us towards Jihad. > Jihad doesn't only mean kill & be killed by non Muslims. Jihad has many > levels. *Lowest level is to voice aloud the truth.* Salvation may come to > us if & when we spare even 1 Rupee to the real cause. Now whats the real > cause? Finding one is also Jihad. > > Thank you for your time & best regards, > Syed Rehan Altaf. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Asim Shehzad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected]; Faisal Qureshi < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:53:30 AM > Subject: [ankahi:888] solutionS > > Faisal Bhai > > You have done fantastic programs. I believe we have had enough of talk > shows by all of you, wonderful anchors. Now please focus your programs on > *SOLUTIONS*. No body is talking about *SOLUTIONS*. Still you can sell > your program by suggesting *SOLUTIONS* > Give us *SOLUTIONS* > > > REGARDS > > > ASIM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Loose Ends Pakistan" group. 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