Chris,

Thank you for your comments.  We will figure out how we would like to proceed.

Thanks,
Tony


> On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Christian Hopps <cho...@chopps.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 12:50 PM, tony...@tony.li wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Les,
>> 
>>> We don’t have to resolve this now.
>>> One of my motivations for sending this was related to Early Allocation of 
>>> code points. Since you have already asked once, I am assuming that if WG 
>>> adoption is achieved it will be swiftly followed by an early allocation 
>>> request – and as one of the Designated Experts I wanted to share my 
>>> concerns sooner rather than later.
>> 
>> 
>> I appreciate that.  Do others share Les’ perspective on the relative 
>> tradeoffs?  Especially our other Desginated Experts?
> 
> [Designated Expert hat]
> 
> I agree that we should try and reduce the number of top-level TLV allocations 
> being made here.
> 
> [WG member hat]
> 
> I think using router capabilities to eliminate the Area Proxy TLV is one 
> choice, and you shouldn't be afraid of storing some capability related extra 
> octets in it, plenty of other users do this already.
> 
> However, if you're still going to need a top-level TLV for "Inside Node" 
> (perhaps b/c we fear using a Router Capability TLVs in pseudo-node?), then 
> why not create a single top level "Area Proxy TLV" for all Area Proxy uses 
> (i.e., make the current "Area Proxy TLV" and "Inside Node TLV" sub-TLVs of 
> that top-level container) instead?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris.
> [see above for hats]
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Would this argue for advertising “this is a boundary circuit” in 
>>> pseudo-node LSPs for boundary circuits rather than advertising “inside” on 
>>> all inside pseudo-nodes?
>>> 
>>> You could do it that way.  It inverts the semantics and inverts the 
>>> deployment.  Logically, it should have the same effect.  However, it then 
>>> is seen by outside nodes.  Since they need not support Area Proxy, this 
>>> seemed like a riskier approach, thus we opted for marking inside 
>>> pseudonodes.
>>> 
>>> [Les:] My point was largely motivated by the statement in the draft:
>>> 
>>> “Area Proxy Boundary multi-access circuits (i.e.  Ethernets in LAN
>>>   mode) with multiple Inside Edge Routers on them are not supported.”
>>> 
>>> So it seems advantageous to be able to prevent this from happening – which 
>>> requires some signaling on the circuit in question.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I think that the case that you’re concerned about is already easily 
>> detected.  Recall that an Inside Edge router will generate IIH’s onto a 
>> boundary circuit using the Proxy system ID.  Thus, if an Inside Edge router 
>> receives an IIH with a source address of it’s own proxy system id, then it 
>> has encountered this issue.
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
>> 
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