Hi Robert,

The maximum link utilization is configurable and not defined by our
specifications.  Use whatever traffic level you feel comfortable with.

The answer that you're looking for is simple: you spread traffic when you
need all of your capacity.  You consolidate your traffic when you have
excess capacity.

As I previously mentioned, we do not have a specific per-flex-algo
application.  Power sleep is applied on a per-component basis and may
affect multiple algorithms.

Tony


On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 11:48 AM Robert Raszuk <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> Ok so we established that at best for 1RUs boxes you could turn off the
> laser.
>
> > The low link utilization for transition to power sleep is a configurable
> level.
>
> My question was the opposite. Let me rephrase - What is the ceiling in %
> you would allow to consolidate traffic onto any link ? I don't think this
> is "beyond the scope of the doc" and making it configurable 0-100% is an
> answer. Quite contrary IMO.
>
> And seeing proposals in LSR which actually aim to do the opposite (spread
> traffic when threshold is exceeded on a link) it becomes an interesting
> question which way operators should go :)
>
> > The use of power groups would not change the flex algo topology.
>
> Yes, that is pretty obvious.
>
> > Traffic would remain within the same algorithm.
>
> So to make sure I understand .. you can only consolidate within the
> boundaries of a given Flex-Algo ?
>
> I do not see anywhere in the document including section 3.1 how do you
> associate flexible-algorithms topology to power groups. Note that a
> link/interface can belong to more than one flex-algo.
>
> With that I think the current encoding does not seem to provide a per
> flex-algo association.
>
> Kind regards,
> Robert
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 8:07 AM Tony Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> Dealing with a pizza box is straightforward.  In section 3.3.2 we
>> describe the interface PSP TLV.  This carries the power savings potential
>> for an interface.  The power consumption of the QSFP would belong in that
>> TLV.
>>
>> The low link utilization for transition to power sleep is a configurable
>> level.
>>
>> The use of power groups would not change the flex algo topology.  Traffic
>> would remain within the same algorithm.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2026 at 11:01 PM Robert Raszuk - robert at raszuk.net <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ron,
>>>
>>> I am not sure what types of platforms Zafar had in mind but I would be
>>> interested in your response how do you apply concept of power groups
>>> to single-chip/systems-on-chip (SoCs) 1RU pizza ODM boxes.
>>>
>>> Would you say put each QSFP into a separate group and the only saving
>>> you could claim is to turn off laser on the selective sender interfaces
>>> after drying the entire traffic on it ?
>>>
>>> - - - A side two question - - -
>>>
>>> 1)
>>> To what % number of link utilization do you consider acceptable to
>>> consolidate traffic for the purpose of power saving on some other links ?
>>>
>>> 2)
>>> If the network is built in a bit complex way ... say there is Algo 0 but
>>> also 16 other Flex_Algo topologies I have a question how do you account for
>>> that such that before the optimization and after optimization traffic
>>> suddenly is not forwarded in a "foreign" topology ? Or is the current
>>> proposal simply not interested in addressing such networks ?
>>>
>>> Thx,
>>> R.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 9:55 AM Bonica, Ron <ronald.bonica=
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Zafar,
>>>>
>>>> If I understood your comment during the IETF 126 session correctly, you
>>>> said that the Power Group model may not support some existing hardware
>>>> architectures. Can you describe such an architecture?
>>>>
>>>>                                                                  Ron
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