Professional Conduct, Engineering Excellence, and Sustainable Goals in our Working Group
Dear Colleagues, In alignment with the recent guidance from Pavan and Oscar, I would like to reinforce our shared responsibility to maintain a strictly professional, respectful, and constructive environment in our working group discussions regarding the TE draft. Engineering and the internet give us immense power to collaborate and build global solutions. However, this power must be backed by education, mutual respect, and accountability. As we evaluate technical proposals, our focus should remain entirely on factual substance and objective analysis, ensuring that we challenge ideas constructively rather than addressing individuals. Furthermore, our commitment to engineering excellence must go hand in hand with conscious consumption and sustainability. By guiding our technical goals toward optimization and responsible resource utilization, we align our work with the path of perfection and efficiency. Let us continue working together under these high standards to achieve the best possible outcomes for our project. Best regards, Franklin Franklin Ferreira de Lima Em sex., 2 de out. de 2026, 13:30, Vishnu Pavan Beeram < [email protected]> escreveu: > A quick reminder to keep our discussions aligned with the IETF’s > expectations for professional and respectful conduct, as outlined in RFC > 7154. > > In particular, please avoid comments that could be perceived as > dismissive, condescending, or personally directed at others. It is > perfectly appropriate to challenge technical claims, ask for evidence, or > question assumptions, but please do so in a way that addresses the > substance of the discussion rather than the individuals involved. > > Keeping the discussion factual, constructive, and respectful will help > ensure that everyone can participate effectively and that we maintain a > productive environment for the WG. > > Thanks for your cooperation. > - Pavan and Oscar > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2026 at 11:40 AM John Drake <je_drake= > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Comments inline. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 30, 2026 at 01:17:31 PM PDT, RJ A < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > On Sep 28, 2026, at 11:15, Robert Raszuk <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Ran, >> > >> > While I do support adoption of this TE extension for ISIS I do not >> agree that current discussion can be named as "odd". >> > >> > See IETF rules and guidelines perhaps work decent to define conditions >> when this or that draft is proposing an extension which sits already in the >> working group charter. >> > >> > Here this proposal is defining a completely new technology "power >> saving by network auto reconfiguration using TE" and by this alone touches >> work residing in number of other working groups in IETF. >> > >> > On the other hand we can't and should not extend protocol to only fit >> one design/architecture as changing such extension while deployed out in >> the wild is very costly - especially for architectures which to work well >> do requires a massive almost network wide upgrade. >> >> I believe that you believe that. >> >> Based on my ~38 years of IETF experience, and having personal experience >> with network engineering for a multi-continent broadband ISP, I disagree >> with your characterization. >> >> > >> > JD: Impressive. It's not well known, but I solved world hunger and >> invented cold fusion. >> > >> >> This is a minor, almost trivial, extension to very well-understood >> Traffic Engineering (TE) mechanisms. Further, I disagree that this >> proposal narrowly fits “one design/architecture” and disagree that any >> uninterested operator would need to upgrade anything. >> >> > >> > JD: This two statements are completely contradictory >> > >> >> Operators that choose to use the mechanism are perfectly capable of >> making their own cost/benefit analyses. Further, the operators I’ve spoken >> with disagree with the claim that any “massive almost network wide upgrade” >> would be required. >> >> > >> > JD: Were these Operators folks you met in an elevator or at a bus >> stop? >> > >> >> Yours, >> >> Ran >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lsr mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >
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