The basic idea is that the alternative distribution protocol is not the existing IGPs.  As such and assuming there is community interest in addressing the problem, I did not want to prejudge whether the work would be in rtgwg, in lsr, or in a new working group.  Les is correct that once there is such a protocol, the decision of what data uses which one seems appropriate to LSR. And if the community decides that it is interested, and that the work belongs in LSR, then I am happy to work on the offloading protocol in LSR.  But it is not for me to tell the routing community which working group should own a piece of new protocol work.

So, rephrasing the above, it seems to me that judging whether there is interest, and deciding where the work belongs, under the current structures, to be appropriate for rtgwg.

If the rtgwg and lsr chairs tell me I misjudged, I am happy to discuss wherever it belongs.

Yours,

Joel

On 10/12/2026 4:57 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
My confusion comes from the point that draft talks about IGPs and proper WG is LSR WG to discuss this.

I was asking since you apparently want to proceed with it in RTGWG that more then IGPs will be covered. And that actually may not be a bad idea as offloading some stuff from IGP and BGP may land into pub-sub common message bus for distribution.

Thx,
r.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2026 at 10:54 PM Joel Halpern <[email protected]> wrote:

    I am making no comment about BGP by the title.  I am drafting some
    text to better explain the relationship with BGP.

    Regarding the title, it is draft-halpern-rtgwg because problem
    statement dispatch for routing, as I understand it, is an RTGWG
    function.  I didn't add -igp- to the filename because I dislike
    creating long draft names.  For me, the draft filename never gives
    the whole story, so I didn't worry about being completely precise
    in the filename.

    Yorus,

    Joel

    On 10/12/2026 4:51 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
    Hi Joel,

    Can you explain why the title of the draft is not consistent with
    its filename ?

    Specifically you are talking about IGP ... but the title says
    rtgwg ?

    Are you trying to say that "The IGP is not a Dump Truck" but BGP
    is ?

    Thx,
    R.


    On Thu, Sep 24, 2026 at 4:06 PM Joel Halpern
    <[email protected]> wrote:

        Calling your attention to a draft I just submitted, with some
        co-authors.

        It is a problem statement draft, outlining an approach to
        improving IGP robustness by moving quasi-stable information
        not need for routing convergence out of the IGP.  The basic
        question is whether the community is interesting in improving
        this behavior.  If so, we can decide whether it goes to LSR
        or gets a new working group.

        Thank you,
        Joel

        -------- Forwarded Message --------
        Subject:        I-D Action:
        draft-halpern-rtgwg-not-a-dump-truck-00.txt
        Date:   Thu, 24 Sep 2026 07:02:04 -0700
        From:   [email protected]
        Reply-To:       [email protected]
        To:     [email protected]



        Internet-Draft draft-halpern-rtgwg-not-a-dump-truck-00.txt is
        now available.

        Title: The IGP is not a Dump Truck
        Authors: Joel Halpern
        Andrew Alston
        Name: draft-halpern-rtgwg-not-a-dump-truck-00.txt
        Pages: 8
        Dates: 2026-09-24

        Abstract:

        This document explores addressing the problem of using an IGP to
        carry arbitrary information, often referred to using the
        phrase "the
        IGP is not a dump truck". It describes the kinds of information
        carried in an IGP and proposes an approach to changing the
        system.

        The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
        https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-halpern-rtgwg-not-a-dump-truck/

        There is also an HTML version available at:
        
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-halpern-rtgwg-not-a-dump-truck-00.html

        Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at:
        rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts


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