One developer group (Cardano and also Hyperledger Indy?) decided that Rocket Chat
https://rocket.chat was superior to Riot, but it was close. From: Danie van der Merwe (in response to a comment on G+. He now posts on MeWe) mentioned you in a comment on Danie van der Merwe's post. +David Stodolsky <https://plus.google.com/100110805083696791816> yep Rocket.chat is also good - nice UI https://medium.com/ignation/time-to-replace-slack-who-will-w in-mattermost-or-riot-matrix-a090e9cdc219 <https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/emlink?emr=04712348056802630381&emid=CJCghMuj3t4CFdKhAgodKQsNPg&path=%2F112580063909169692065&dt=1542555646715&ub=STREAM_AT_REPLY> Danie van der Merwe *Time to replace Slack! Who will win, MatterMost or Riot/Matrix?* dss On 25 June 2019 at 19:50:56, Doug Schuler ([email protected]) wrote: We need a consumer reports for this type of information! Thanks everybody. — Doug On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:51 AM Rory Byrne <[email protected]> wrote: > FWIW, we experimented about a year ago with getting a three of our civil > society organisations running internally on Matrix (via Riot.im) vs > Mattermost. The main feedback against Matrix/Riot was UI/UX issues. A lot > of users just felt overwhelmed with the options around things like security > (of course personally I love that). So all of the orgs ended up going with > Mattermost. Which is still a decent system but obviously still lacks e2e > encryption at the moment I think. > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 15:37, Yonatan Miller <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> What are your thoughts in terms of usability between setting up >> mattermost and riot for developer and non developer audiences? >> >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:12 PM Julian Oliver <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> ..on Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 12:28:26PM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote: >>> > Internet Freedom Festival uses Mattermost: >>> > >>> > >>> https://medium.com/iff-community-stories/were-not-a-conference-9cf252199652 >>> >>> >>> Definitely go with self-hosted Mattermost or RocketChat or RiotIM. The >>> former >>> FLOSS 'team edition' is *astonishingly* performant. I installed and >>> sysadmin a >>> server with many thousands of members (at risk groups) spanning over 160 >>> teams. >>> It's extra-ordinarily fast - barely expresses any load on the system, >>> and is >>> used heavily day in and out. >>> >>> Discord has among the worst privacy ToS in the chat space, openly >>> presenting >>> their service as a data harvest for downstream buyers. >>> >>> "By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your >>> Content with >>> the Service, you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, >>> royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, >>> reproduce, >>> modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, >>> distribute, >>> perform, and display Your Content in connection with operating and >>> providing the >>> Service." >>> >>> https://discordapp.com/terms >>> >>> Discord are actually even worse than Slack as regards our basic rights >>> online, >>> which is itself quite an achievement. Not sure I can think of a worse >>> partner >>> for mass team chat! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 12:14 PM Petter Ericson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > On 24 juni, 2019 - axel simon wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 10:17:02PM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote: >>> > > > > Discord: what Facebook is trying to become. >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/how-discord-went-mainstream-influencers/584671/ >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Why to switch from Google Chrome to Mozilla Firefox. >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> https://www.siliconvalley.com/2019/06/21/google-chrome-has-become-surveillance-software-its-time-to-switch/ >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Hi, >>> > > > Discord is interesting in that it's popular and offers people the >>> > > possibility to have their own community (which they call "server", I >>> > > believe), but there's nothing free and open source about it. >>> > > >>> > > As of this writing, Discord has, as if to prove this point, been >>> globally >>> > > unavailable due to Cloudflare issues. >>> > > >>> > > > Matrix, and its main client Riot, are much more interesting to me >>> > > currently, as they are (ambitiously) trying to solve multiple >>> problems at >>> > > once: a modern chat system, with voice and video and file sharing, >>> with >>> > > end-to-end cryptography, while maintaining a decentralised network >>> > > architecture so that anyone can run their own instance, join and >>> federate >>> > > with the rest. >>> > > >>> > > Well, to harp on about long lost battles - XMPP did it first. I >>> firmly >>> > > believe that if all the effort spent on Matrix clients had instead >>> been put >>> > > into improving XMPP, then it would far surpass the current standards >>> of >>> > > both. Even so, XMPP is the protocol with several independent and >>> mutually >>> > > compatible server _and_ client implementations, as well a >>> well-established >>> > > protocol (and protocol extension process). >>> > > >>> > > > Current versions of Riot might not be entirely as slick as >>> Discord, but >>> > > they are getting better and they are very usable. >>> > > > Incidently, Matrix has bridges to connect to other chat network >>> (and >>> > > ideally, bridge them together, hence the name), and can bridge to >>> Discord. >>> > > So there's a possibility of getting everyone to play nice with each >>> other. >>> > > >>> > > Bridging has, time and again, shown itself to be a Much Harder >>> Problem >>> > > than may be apparent, with massive amounts of boring corner cases and >>> > > exceptions. We'll see. >>> > > > >>> > > > Regarding Firefox vs. Chrome, Firefox has been the only browser >>> (with >>> > > any relevant market share) that isn't the product of a for profit >>> company >>> > > for a while. While Mozilla have made questionable descisions at time >>> (and >>> > > outright mistakes at others), that alone should be a strong argument >>> to >>> > > consider where one gets their browser from. I recall reading a >>> statement in >>> > > an article around Chrome's release about 10 years ago by then-CEO >>> Eric >>> > > Schmidt explaining that at the end of the day, if you want to be >>> able to >>> > > really control and see what users are doing, you need your own >>> browser. >>> > > This was when people couldn't quite understand why Google would >>> build its >>> > > own browser when Firefox had manage to end the Internet Explorer >>> dead lock >>> > > and they had a good relationship. >>> > > > That passage really stayed with me (and if anyone were to find it, >>> I'd >>> > > be very greatful, I can't seem to do so). >>> > > > >>> > > > So yes, it's not that surprising that, when push comes to shove, >>> the >>> > > engineering teams working on Chrome have to bow to the business >>> priorities >>> > > of Google, the world's (more or less) biggest advertisement company. >>> > > >>> > > I'm in complete agreement. >>> > > >>> > > > Cheers, >>> > > > >>> > > > axel >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > axel simon >>> > > > mail/matrix: [email protected] >>> > > > twitter: @axelsimon >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major >>> > > commercial search engine. 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