On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 07:54:34AM -0800, Damien Hull wrote: > Should I stick with CentOS or make the switch to Suse? If there's > another distribution I should be looking at let me know.
My vote for Desktops: Debian, or Debian based distros. Having used RPM based distros for years, apt based distros are just a joy to manage. Ubuntu's especially good, IMHO, for several reasons: 1) You'll hear some Debian folks pooh-poohing Ubuntu, and how they're bad for Debian. Personally, all the Ubuntuites I know are staunch Debian supporters, Mark Shuttleworth being the biggest. I think there's good things coming out of Ubuntu that are flowing directly into Debian, and that's a good thing. So ++good on that front. 2) Spit-and-polish. Debian's a "universal operating system", and has to be all things to all people on all platforms. Debian's a super-fantastic set of Lego blocks that all fit together really well. However, when you build a model of the Eiffel Tower out of Lego blocks, you can tell there's some sharp edges: thats becuase you have the ability to break those blocks down, and build something else. What Ubuntu does is take the lego blocks, and grind off all the rough edges. The pieces can't be re-used quite as readily, as they've been modified somewhat, but if what you want is a model of the Eiffel Tower, the Ubuntu one looks more polished. This is a good thing, in my opinion. Ubuntu's done A LOT to bring a polished-looking Free Software OS to the masses, and they understand the IMPORTANCE to that polishing. Technical people may not think it's as important, but to and end user, it is. Case in point: on my Debian boxes, in Gnome, when you drop down some of the applications menus, not all the applications have a mini-icon. We all understand why they're not there: perhaps neither the developer of the application, or the package maintainer are graphically inclined, and so the icon gets left out of the process. After all, it's not really a big deal, right? The very first thing an end user will ask when they drop down the menu is: "why doesn't everything have an icon?". Because they actually don't read the text: they memorize the icons: "If I want firefox, I click on the blue ball". Drop down the Ubuntu menus, and have a look. I defy you to find a menu item on the default setup that doesn't have an icon. It's a little thing, I know, but it's important to the end users. 3) The process. Ubuntu treats the development process very, VERY seriously. I'm going to shout this for emphasis: ANY FREE SOFTWARE PROJECT OUT THERE SHOULD PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO HOW UBUNTU DOES THINGS!!! My first Ubuntu conference I attended, I figured it would be people actually writing code, and hacking. No such thing: not one line of code gets written. Instead, you spec out what needs to be done: what's possible, whats probable, and what *has* to get done. Details are filled in about what needs to be done, by whom. There's an entire approval process, once your spec's been written. We've tried, within LTSP, to emulate some of what we've seen. You can see a bit of it at the LTSPFS page: complete protocol spec, use cases, etc. All done BEFORE any code got written. We have the much-improved local device support today becuase we went through that exercise. It works. Period. 4) Mark Shuttleworth's an astronaut. I've spoken with him personally on several occasions, and had dinner with him a couple of times. This is, quite frankly, as close as I'll ever get to space travel. Plus, the guy's a helluva philanthropist. He's doing a TON of good things for disadvantaged kids in Africa. There's Debianistas and Ubuntuites who hang out in #ltsp all the time (vagrant, ogra, mdz, etc). Those who've talked to me know I'm always on about "the community". During the years I've spent actively involved with writing Free Software, I've: 1) Been to New Yawk, San Fran, Bawston, Sydney, Montreal, Toronto, Porto Alegre Brazil, etc. 2) Closed down a restaurant at 2 AM in Brazil; had beer and pizza with geeks we met at an outdoor cafe; had my picture taken with a Koala bear, and petted a kangaroo; listened to techno music and ate peanuts in a microbrewery in a 300 year old building; Watched Pink Floyd's "The Wall", and drank Line Aquavit and ate Pizza in a Hotel Conference room; watched "Hitchhikers Guide" on opening day; had a home-made 2 lobster meal from lobsters caught that morning; eaten enough steak to make my own cow; seen a broadway play; had my hotel room filled with Roy Orbison and SF street signs; ate salmon chanted omlette, etc etc etc 3) All the while I was doing these fun things, I was in the company of REALLY GREAT PEOPLE, who write the software I use day-to-day. I've made so many friends, I can't even count them all, and the journey's only beginning. There's LOTS more good stuff to come, and friends, old and new, to have fun with. Wonder how many MCSE's can boast that? So, to summarize: Great software + awesome packaging system + worthwhile cause + great people = Debian == The Awesome! Debian + excellent business process + spit-and-polish + rocket-man + philanthropy = Ubuntu == The Awsome++ (Debian || Ubuntu) * (great people) + (fun fun fun) = Awesome ^ Awesome Scott -- Scott L. Balneaves | "Looking beyond the embers of bridges glowing behind us Systems Department | To a glimpse of how green it was on the other side..." Legal Aid Manitoba | -- Pink Floyd "High Hopes" _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net