first of all, the discussion is moving towards complaining about problems 
(even if they are in other countries) instead of talking about solutions 
again.
Personally I found yesterdays solutions much more interesting, because it is 
with solutions that each of us (except a few sysadmins maybe ;-)  make our 
living.

This scenario you sketch is off course not limited to uganda. It happens 
everywhere, only the numbers are bigger (think enron). There are several  
different approaches, like:

- on ebay (amongst others), they use a scoring mechanism. After each 
transaction, the buyer can score the seller for trustworthiness. If you mess 
up, or just plain steal, everybody will see. this will harm your success in 
the long run. having a long positive track record will give you a competative 
advantage.

- ebay also verifies your address by sending you a login code by ordinary 
postal mail. This, i agree, rules out a lot of people in uganda. (But then, 
if the payments are done via banktransfer, instead of paypal, the 
authentication process is done through the bank, which has physical contact 
with the subscriber, unlike paypal)

- Some shops use so called escrow services. Here, the Buyer pays the money a 
third party. The seller now knows that the cash is there. There is no way 
(unless after a deep conflict and appeals etc.) that the buyer can get the 
money back.
The seller sends the item or delivers the service. When he is done and the 
buyer is satisfied, the buyer tells the Third party to release the money. The 
third party then pays the seller.

With all the creative financial transactions going on in uganda, i guess 
people could come up with even more different ways to make both the seller 
and the buyer satisfied.

rgds,
reinier

On Thursday 04 January 2007 17:41, henry wrote:
> but again it might  take a lil more  than just the banks
> can you trust a ugandan to deliver after you have wired him the money
> the ug police may have to receive some crash training on cyber crime and
> things or do we wait until we develope that culture of trust
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: brian muhumuza
>   To: Linux Users Group Uganda
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:41 AM
>   Subject: Re: [LUG] http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/220/539193
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>
>   I think overall banks in Ug are lagging very behind they slow down
> everyone's pace. Banks should do more than just sit on peoples money. How
> about foster business for companies and individuals through easy transfer
> of funds any where any time without need for volumes of paperwork or
> bouncing at the bank.
>
>   <<
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>
>
>   On 1/3/07, Ernest Byaruhanga (AfriNIC) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>     Reinier wrote the following on 01/03/2007 11:53 AM:
>     > I dont see paypal and visa coming to uganda pretty soon.
>
>     visa is already in ug.
>
>     eb
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